Boost in Foreign Worker Visas

[Shabibilicious]

I find it hard to believe that American companies can't find local American workers to fill these seasonal jobs.  I-pads, college, cars, dates, fun stuff, etc.....that stuff costs money that most teens can't afford, unless Mommy and Daddy enable them.  And why in the h*ll do Trump supporters allow Donald to get away with hiring foreign workers for his family resorts?  Where's the outrage?  Build a wall, Donald....but let your foreign workers in.  Pathetic.  "Made in America"....just not by Americans.  

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/disdainful-of-h-1bs-trump-expands-a-different-foreign-worker-visa/

 

GO RV, then BV 

Edited July 19, 2017 by Shabibilicious

[bostonangler]

Do as I say... Not as I do....

 

It is amazing that Trumpsters continually give this guy a pass after every time he slaps them in the face. I wonder if anyone here has a family member out of work.

 

 

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[Indraman]

Looks like the Trumpster's Immigration Policies are working. Instead of lower skilled workers coming across the border (becoming Illegal immigrants) without any documentation tracking, the number of H-2B visas are being increased to account for the additional number of workers needed in this category. Note: Companies must show "irreparable harm" in order to get approved.

 

Indy

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, Indraman said:

Looks like the Trumpster's Immigration Policies are working. Instead of lower skilled workers coming across the border (becoming Illegal immigrants) without any documentation tracking, the number of H-2B visas are being increased to account for the additional number of workers needed in this category. Note: Companies must show "irreparable harm" in order to get approved.

 

Indy

 

No offense intended Indy, but how do you justify the below paragraph from the article? 

 

As a presidential candidate, Trump said he would "end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers for every visa and immigration program," with "no exceptions."

 

GO RV, then BV

[bostonangler]

Well it could be that young Americans feel they are too good to work labor or service jobs. The millennials all seem to want to start out in executive positions... Remind of the old saying "too many chiefs".

 

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[Indraman]

50 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

No offense intended Indy, but how do you justify the below paragraph from the article? 

 

As a presidential candidate, Trump said he would "end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers for every visa and immigration program," with "no exceptions."

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Shabs, did I miss something? I thought article was talking about H-2B visas? I will go back and look at article later today when I have time. 

 

Indy 

[nstoolman1]

We have new homes being built in our new tract. The new hires (18-30) here are making a decent wage.

Some of the A** Hats work 5-6 hours and then don't come back to work. They are so lazy they don't want

to even come back for their pay they earned. I told the superintendent I would come in and help if he needed

it to finish our house. He laughed and said he might just do that. 

[Shabibilicious]

14 minutes ago, Indraman said:

 

Shabs, did I miss something? I thought article was talking about H-2B visas? I will go back and look at article later today when I have time. 

 

Indy 

 

For the most part it is.  But the particular paragraph I posted states Donald's stance on every visa program.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

8 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

We have new homes being built in our new tract. The new hires (18-30) here are making a decent wage.

Some of the A** Hats work 5-6 hours and then don't come back to work. They are so lazy they don't want

to even come back for their pay they earned. I told the superintendent I would come in and help if he needed

it to finish our house. He laughed and said he might just do that. 

 

Sorry to hear this, nstoolman.  Now, I'm not trying to read between the lines or put words in you mouth.....but if that justifies hiring foreign workers on visas to get the job done, then why are we wasting our time trying to save an America that apparently doesn't want to be saved?  

 

GO RV, then BV

[umbertino]

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

Well it could be that young Americans feel they are too good to work labor or service jobs. The millennials all seem to want to start out in executive positions... Remind of the old saying "too many chiefs".

 

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It's the same in this old country of mine.....Lots of unemployment but these young ( and some not so young) Italians refuse to  take  some types of jobs ( taken by immigrants) but  obviously they are first in line afterwards to complain for the migration mess and  lack of work......

[nstoolman1]

No need to read between any of my lines. It is all there in black and white.

It is never a waste of time trying to protect and save our way of life. I am old enough to know hard work and loyalty payoff. God and this country, gave me an opportunity to make something with hard work and perseverance. 

It is not the journeymen level that this is occurring. It is the non journeymen that are hired that don't want to work. If hiring legal immigrants that want to work is necessary then I guess that is whats needed. 

[md11fr8dawg]

What you are seeing Umbertino is the result of politically correct socialism that is being spread worldwide. The something for nothing entitlement mentality that will cripple a country and it's work force. Sort of like the children's story of the hen who had wheat and needed help to make bread. At every turn she asked for help and no one helped. But when she finally finished making the beard, everyone was demanding for some and when she would not share they accused her her of being selfish. Kind of sounds like many places today.

[bostonangler]

3 hours ago, md11fr8dawg said:

What you are seeing Umbertino is the result of politically correct socialism that is being spread worldwide. The something for nothing entitlement mentality that will cripple a country and it's work force. Sort of like the children's story of the hen who had wheat and needed help to make bread. At every turn she asked for help and no one helped. But when she finally finished making the beard, everyone was demanding for some and when she would not share they accused her her of being selfish. Kind of sounds like many places today.

 

That's BS.... It is Affluenza. At least in America it is... I was in McDonalds one day and a 17 year boy was there with his mother she was filling out his application. When she finished doing the work and the manager told the kid he could start Saturday at 6am, he turned to his mom and said "I'm not doing that" and walked out. It was wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

 

Another point,  my business deals directly with business owners large and small. Their most common complaint is young people don't want to work. When or if they show up, all they do is keep checking their phones. When management tells them put the phone down, usually they quit...

 

We as a society have spoiled the children, it has nothing to do with socialism, but with affluence.

 

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[nstoolman1]

Don't work, don't eat. That will fix it.

Don't participate in a job seeking program, don't ask for benefits. 

Get public assistance, can't vote. 

 

[bostonangler]

Just now, nstoolman1 said:

Don't work, don't eat. That will fix it.

Don't participate in a job seeking program, don't ask for benefits. 

Get public assistance, can't vote. 

 

 

Go tell your neighbors who have their 27 year olds living at home your idea, and see what they tell you. My sister who grew up the same way I did (and we both were on our own at 18 or 19) let's her adult children live at home for free. When I ask her what's the deal? She tells me the world is too tough... It blows my mind. Most of my friends have their lazy adult children living at home or even worse they as grandparents are raising the kids because their kids can't handle it. It is not a government problem, it a "mamby pamby" problem.

 

My friends freak out and tell me I'm too tough on my 16 year old because I made her get a job and pay for her own cell phone. My friends can't believe I'm so "cruel". Our society has allowed the children to be pansies and in the future we all will pay for it. Do you think the youth of the rest of the world are such cry babies? I don't think so, and when push comes to shove our new generations will be eaten alive. They have been raised to be afraid of their own shadow. When I talk to teenagers and tell them some of the things we did at their age they can't believe it.

 

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[bostonangler]

The nationally representative  Monitoring the Future project (link is external)has surveyed half a million high school seniors since 1976. Here’s how the generations answered three questions relevant for work ethic:

                                                            Boomers           Gen X          Millennials

Don't want to work hard                         26%                30%                38%

 

Willing to work overtime                         59%                56%                47%

 

If had enough money                             22%                26%                29%

would not want to work

(Remember, this is what young people say about themselves, and age is held constant—these must be generational or cultural changes).

 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-changing-culture/201602/do-millennials-have-lesser-work-ethic

 

 

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[Indraman]

BA, this is a first...two consecutive posts by you where I couldn't agree with you more. +1 & +1.

 

Indy 

[bostonangler]

3 minutes ago, Indraman said:

BA, this is a first...two consecutive posts by you where I couldn't agree with you more. +1 & +1.

 

Indy 

 

Thanks Indy... Here is a really well written article about what it is like to hire a millennial.

 

Want to get work done? Don't hire a millennial, business owner says 

 

 

As God is my witness, I will never hire a millennial again as long as I live.

Much has been made of the so-called millennial work ethic.

I'm convinced these people want to have jobs — they just don't want to work.

Admittedly, they have a healthier attitude toward work than my generation.

They fit work into their lives instead of scrambling to fit their lives around work, as do people my age.

The problem is that when they actually get to the office, nothing happens.

I've been through four different admins in the past year and a half, and each was worse than the previous one.

 

It's hard to tell if they can't do the work or if they just simply don't want to.

A look at the literature suggests that there are many reasons why millennials are so diffident about their role in the workplace.

Most struggle with large amounts of student debt.

Maybe they figure that there's so little hope of reducing that debt, based on their entry-level salaries, that they give up before they start.

The whole point of an entry-level salary is that if you stick around, the salary moves up as your responsibilities grow.

As the expression goes, your raise becomes effective the moment you do.

Last month, I hired a twenty-something admin with great credentials and outstanding references.

Two weeks later, I had to send her an email pointing out the sloppiness and inattentiveness in her work product and requesting a better level of effort.

I'm not talking about anything insane — just getting phone numbers and time zones correct. "Easy button" kind of stuff.

That very same day, she sent me an email reminding me that she had a bachelorette trip to Florida in three weeks that would cause her to miss three days of work.

Who takes vacations two months after they start the job?

Who has the tin ear to put in a vacation request the same day the boss sends you an email about sloppiness?

Millennials, that's who.

People who study these matters suggest that millennials grew up in a culture where everyone was made to feel special.

You didn't have to put forth an effort to win a ribbon or even a trophy.

Just showing up was good enough.

What a terrible lesson to teach young people.

I don't mean that adults should pace Patton-like in front of small children and inform them that the world doesn't owe them a living.

And yet, the world owes no one a living.

My soon-to-be former admin ignored being fired and prepared to come to work the following Monday, George Costanza-like.

So I had to fire her a second time.

This time, she finally understood that I meant business, and that she was out of the business.

She responded with a plaintive email reminding me that without her job, she no longer had a source of income. Did I have any ideas about how else she could make money?

Then she asked if she could list her position with my company on her resume and use me as a reference.

You cannot make this stuff up.

Last time I checked, jobs that pay more than $50,000 a year as a starting salary and include health insurance aren't that thick on the ground.

Ironically, she had been my second choice candidate for the job.

My first choice was a woman with an even more stellar track record.

Unfortunately, when I performed a cursory Google search of her name, I found photos of her on websites like sexilicious.com — you can look it up — where she expressed the fact that her greatest desire in life was to become a plus-size model.

I have no problem with the fact that she wants to be a plus-size model.

Everybody has dreams.

I don't have a problem with her being a plus size.

I struggle with my weight, too.

I do have an issue with the fact that my clients could Google her and find the same compromising photos I did.

They would also see the terrible grammar with which she described her plus-sized dreams.

The final straw came yesterday, when my millennial bookkeeper announced in an email that she was leaving "effective immediately" and would have nothing further to do with my company. She wouldn't even share passwords with her successor.

I'm sorry, millennials. You're all special. You're all smart.

And you're all fired.

Call it age discrimination. Call it self-preservation. Call it whatever you want.

But if you're under 30, the unemployment office is two doors down.

Michael Levin, a 12-time bestselling author, runs BusinessGhost.com, a provider of ghostwriting and publishing services.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/work-don-hire-millennial-biz-owner-article-1.2596941

 

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[nstoolman1]

My post was in response to Md11fr8dawgs. I guess I should have quoted it in the first place.

How other parent raise their young is not my concern. If parents want their kids to be at home and are willing to support them then fine. It is when the government gets involved and starts paying out to people that don't want to work. 

[SnowGlobe7]

My son will graduate college this next year. He has great grades and held down a job that he has been promoted to GM of a franchise sandwich shop while carrying a full load of classes. If he wants to come home for a bit no problem...I will do a happy dance...BUT on the other hand...his older sister, yea,  not so much. 

raised with the same morals and parents I am the step parent since they were 7 and 11, but two totally opposite ways of looking at a hand out.

[bostonangler]

8 minutes ago, SnowGlobe7 said:

My son will graduate college this next year. He has great grades and held down a job that he has been promoted to GM of a franchise sandwich shop while carrying a full load of classes. If he wants to come home for a bit no problem...I will do a happy dance...BUT on the other hand...his older sister, yea,  not so much. 

raised with the same morals and parents I am the step parent since they were 7 and 11, but two totally opposite ways of looking at a hand out.

 

That's awesome for your son. He is a rare breed... If he does come home will you charge any room and board? My folks starting charging me room and board when I got a job at 16. It wasn't much and I thought it sucked, but when I was ready to move out they gave most of it back as a (good luck / good riddance LOL) going away present. Then I realized how cool they actually were.

 

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[SnowGlobe7]

No I will not, I will not have to, he will give us money and help out around the house and prob Grocery shop for us when he can. He will take his 13 year old sister out and buy her whatever she wants...he is just that kind of kiddo.  We will not even have to ask...just the way he is.

 

and Thank you for the compliment. ..he is a rare one. I love him so very much 

[bostonangler]

21 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

My post was in response to Md11fr8dawgs. I guess I should have quoted it in the first place.

How other parent raise their young is not my concern. If parents want their kids to be at home and are willing to support system" rel="">support them then fine. It is when the government gets involved and starts paying out to people that don't want to work. 

 

I agree. It is up to the parents but I don't think they are doing them a favor. This generation has grown up where everyone is special. There are no honor rolls. It is sad. As for government assistance. I have no problem helping people who need it. But in my world they would have to apply for jobs. Demonstrate any disability. Pass a random drug test. And reapply at least on an annual basis. There would be no generational entitlement.

 

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[bostonangler]

Just now, SnowGlobe7 said:

No I will not, I will not have to, he will give us money and help out around the house and prob Grocery shop for us when he can. He will take his 13 year old sister out and buy her whatever she wants...he is just that kind of kiddo.  We will not even have to ask...just the way he is.

 

and Thank you for the compliment. ..he is a rare one. I love him so very much 

 

I see he has great values, obviously has a conscience and the spirit of human kindness. You are truly blessed.

 

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[SnowGlobe7]

Just now, bostonangler said:

 

I see he has great values, obviously has a conscience and the spirit of human kindness. You are truly blessed.

 

B/A 

 

thank you