Parliamentary power: Kurds did not provide a convincing justification for non-commitment to pay oil money

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Lots of "swerving"in the media about this. Interesting.

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We are still ready to change the timing of the referendum

 

 

he blinked.

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15 minutes ago, magawatt said:

We are still ready to change the timing of the referendum

 

 

he blinked.

 

The payoff will follow 

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Court orders suspension of 25 September referendum while it examines complaints that the vote is unconstitutional

 

 

Agence France-Presse in Baghdad

Monday 18 September 2017 15.29 BST

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/iraq-supreme-court-steps-in-to-block-kurdish-independence-vote

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45 minutes ago, umbertino said:

 

Court orders suspension of 25 September referendum while it examines complaints that the vote is unconstitutional

 

 

Agence France-Presse in Baghdad

Monday 18 September 2017 15.29 BST

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/iraq-supreme-court-steps-in-to-block-kurdish-independence-vote

That's an easy 14 months postponement for their court ruling...lol 

[DinarThug]

Kurdistan Regional Government Representation in the United States   Washington, DC

To the Kurdistani Community in North America  The Independent High Elections and Referendum Commission (IHERC) has removed the Food Ration Card from the required list for diaspora Kurdistanis seeking to vote in Kurdistan's upcoming referendum on independence. Kurdistanis abroad can register and vote on September 23 and 24, using the following link: http://khec17.net/registration.php    We hope and ask our Kurdistani community to take this historic opportunity to vote for Kurdistan's future. http://campaign.r20.constantco.....0cbf0137b0 For more information in English, click here.

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Barzani sets a condition for issuing a "final decision" on the referendum

 

Monday 18 September

 

 

Alsumaria News / Baghdad  The head of the Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani, on Monday, a condition for the issuance of a final decision on the referendum, considering that the alternatives offered so far do not carry guarantees for dialogue with Baghdad for independence. Barzani said on the sidelines of his meeting with British Defense Minister Michael Fallon, according to a statement of the region received Alsumaria News a copy of it, "there is no choice but to independence," adding that "calls to postpone the referendum for dialogue with Baghdad only without knowledge of its content and the nature of international guarantees do not defer Referendum ".     "If the Iraqi government agrees to dialogue for the purpose of the independence of Kurdistan under a certain time frame and the existence of international guarantees, then the Kurdish political leadership will meet and decide its final decision," he said, adding that "the options offered so far do not provide guarantees for dialogue with Baghdad for independence." "We have tried all kinds of relations with Iraq, but they failed, so we have only the option of independence. We want to be good neighbors and build the best relations," Barzani said. He called on the British defense minister to "postpone the referendum in exchange for starting a process of dialogue with Baghdad with an open agenda and under international supervision." British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon arrived at Erbil airport from Baghdad to discuss several files with provincial officials, most notably the independence referendum in the Kurdistan region. The Federal Court issued earlier on Monday a state order to suspend the proceedings of the referendum of Kurdistan, asserting that the decision of the referendum unconstitutional.

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Urgent .. Barzani declares a new position of "independence" and throw the ball at Baghdad Stadium

Twilight News    

 

 2 hours ago

 

 

The President of the Kurdistan Region Massoud Barzani that the alternatives put forward to postpone the referendum does not include guarantees of negotiations on the "independence" of Kurdistan, while stressing the refusal to negotiate with Baghdad without the existence of international guarantees, stipulated Baghdad's readiness to negotiate on the independence of Kurdistan before taking a decision to postpone the referendum .

The President of the Kurdistan Region Massoud Barzani that the alternatives put forward to postpone the referendum does not include guarantees of negotiations on the "independence" of Kurdistan, while stressing the refusal to negotiate with Baghdad without the existence of international guarantees, stipulated Baghdad's readiness to negotiate on the independence of Kurdistan before taking a decision to postpone the referendum . In a statement to the head of the Kurdistan Region, Barzani said that Barzani met with British Minister of Defense Michael Fallen and his accompanying delegation, including British Ambassador to Iraq Frank Becker and a number of British diplomats and military advisers. Cosert Messenger Ali. The British minister valued the historical relations between Britain and the Kurdish people and stressed the continuation and development of these relations, referring to the training of Peshmerga forces and the continuation of military cooperation between the two sides.

 

 

Fallen also noted that his country is demanding the postponement of the referendum and in return to start a round of negotiations and dialogue between Erbil and Baghdad and be an open agenda under the supervision of the international community.

For his part, Barzani presented a "disaster" that affected the people of Kurdistan in Iraq and stressed that on June 7 witnessed the majority of the Kurdish political parties to set a referendum for the independence of the Kurdistan Region, but the decision of the referendum was not issued that day, but was reported to Baghdad repeatedly Over the past years if it violated the constitution and the abolition of partnership and balance. He stressed that the leadership of Kurdistan is always back to the opinion of the people of Kurdistan.

Barzani said that Kurdistan has tried all kinds of relations with Iraq from decentralization of self-government until it reached the federal and failed all, pointing out that there is left to Kurdistan, but independence and wants to live as good neighbors with Iraq and link the best relations. He added that the referendum is a mechanism of reaching independence, such as dialogue and negotiation of the mechanism of independence, adding that the alternatives offered so far do not carry guarantees for dialogue for independence and does not include the readiness of Baghdad to start a dialogue for the independence of Kurdistan.

 

Barzani said that therefore the request to postpone the referendum only to negotiate with Baghdad without knowing about the nature of the negotiation and what the international guarantees are rejected, adding that the Iraqi government if expressed willingness to negotiate for independence within a specified period with the existence of international guarantees to implement the agreement on independence then Only the Kurdistan leadership will hold a meeting and issue its final decision in this regard.

 

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Washington renewed its offer to the Kurdistan region to postpone the referendum

 Baghdad / Range 
 

International and regional parties continued their efforts to mediate between the federal government in Baghdad and the Kurdistan Regional Government to come out with a satisfactory formula for both sides in relation to the referendum of the region to be held later this month. Al-Mada learned from senior Kurdish sources that the US State Department has renewed its initiative to lead the region to postpone the referendum in return for sponsoring constructive negotiations between Baghdad and Erbil in two to three years. If the parties do not reach an agreement within the proposed period. The senior sources, who spoke to Al-Mada, preferring not to reveal their identity, said that the Kurdistan Regional Command received the offer and assured the American side of its openness to any initiatives for dialogue and responsible understanding with the federal government.



The sources added that the leadership of the region called for clear and explicit guarantees to avoid the experience of repudiation of agreements adopted by previous governments. The sources confirmed that the coming days will witness the answer to the new US offer. This is the second time that the United States has led the Kurdistan region initiative to reach a solution to the referendum, which is opposed by the federal government. Brett McGurk, the envoy of the US president and his representative in the international coalition against Daqash, was presented to the President of the Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani with the offer. Barzani had received at his residence in the resort of Salah al-Din last Thursday, a joint delegation from the States of the International Coalition, composed of the Special Representative of the President of the United States of America in the alliance against the war against terrorists, and the Special Representative of the Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq Jan Kubic, The United States in Iraq, Duclos Soliman and the British Ambassador to Iraq


Frank Baker. On Saturday, he revealed some details of the initiative presented to the president of the region. According to a leaked version of the document, obtained by AFP, the proposal calls for the immediate start of the Iraqi government and the government of the "organized negotiations, intensive, intensive ... without preconditions and an open agenda on ways to solve all the problems, Which will determine future relations and cooperation between Baghdad and Erbil. " "There is an offer, if the Kurds agree to this alternative, negotiations will be held," Kubayish said, adding that he expected a response from Barzani in "two or three days." The two sides should conclude their negotiations within two to three years and can request "the United Nations, on behalf of the international community, to offer its good offices both in the negotiation process and in the development of results and conclusions." In contrast, according to the offer, "



The document states that "the Security Council shall continue to follow up the implementation of this Agreement through regular reports of the Secretary-General of the United Nations." 
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Sunday that a referendum planned by the Kurdistan region would "distract attention from the need to defeat an oppressive organization and rebuild 
liberated areas ." "The Secretary-General respects the sovereignty, integrity and territorial integrity of Iraq and sees the need to resolve all outstanding issues between the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government through a structured dialogue and a constructive settlement," said Stephane Dujarric, spokesman for the UN. "The Secretary-General calls on all leaders in Iraq to address this issue patiently and with restraint." The British Defense Minister Michael Fallon said he would go to the Kurdistan region in an attempt to persuade his boss Massoud Barzani to abandon the referendum.


"We will be in Erbil to tell Barzani that we do not support the referendum of the Kurds, we are committed to the safety of Iraq and to work with the United Nations to search for alternatives to the referendum," Fallon told a news conference in Baghdad yesterday. The United Nations earlier submitted a proposal to the President of the Kurdistan region to withdraw from the draft referendum organization in exchange for helping to reach a comprehensive agreement on the future relations between Baghdad and Erbil in a maximum of three years. The French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Laudrian said Monday that the referendum in the Kurdistan region "will be an initiative is not appropriate," calling for dialogue between Baghdad and the Kurdistan region.


"The Iraqi constitution includes very important elements of self-government, which must be respected, secured and secured in the framework of a dialogue between Baghdad and Kurdistan, and it seems to us that any other initiative would be inappropriate," the French minister said ahead of the UN General Assembly's annual session in New York. "We are in Iraq to prepare for a post-Saddam era. For us, the post-Saddam regime is supposedly inclusive and respects the Iraqi constitution, its federal dimension, the groups it forms, and the territorial integrity of Iraq," he said. The Federal Supreme Court, yesterday, the suspension of the Kurdistan region, scheduled for 25 of this month. The court's decision came in response to a request by the General Secretariat of the Council of Ministers to consider the legality of holding the referendum.


The government letter, which bore the date of the 14th of this September, included the statement of opinion on the extent to which the province or any irregular province of the territory may organize a referendum that includes the opinion of the citizens of the aforementioned parties in independence from the Republic of Iraq in the light of the provisions of the existing Constitution of Iraq For the year 2005 ". The Federal Court, in a brief statement, obtained a copy of it yesterday, "after the deliberation and to provide the formal requirements in the legal applications, issued a mandate to suspend the proceedings of the referendum scheduled for 25 September until the resolution of the cases established unconstitutional decision.

The Information Office of Prime Minister Haider Abadi, the request to the Federal Court. A statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office said that "he applied to the Federal Court on the unconstitutionality of the secession of any territory or province of Iraq, as well as the issuance of a mandate to stop the proceedings of the referendum secession of the Kurdistan region, and accordingly the Federal Court approved the request."

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National Alliance holds an emergency meeting on the referendum of Kurdistan

 

Monday 18 September

 

 

Alsumaria News / Baghdad  The leadership of the National Alliance , on Monday, an emergency meeting chaired by the President of the coalition Ammar al-Hakim to discuss the repercussions of the referendum on independence of the Kurdistan region . The Office of Hakim in a brief statement received Alsumaria News a copy of it, "The leadership of the National Alliance held an emergency meeting chaired by the President of the coalition Ammar al-Hakim to discuss the repercussions of the referendum on independence of the Kurdistan region." The Federal Court, earlier in the day, Monday, a mandate to stop the proceedings of the referendum of Kurdistan, asserting that the decision of the referendum unconstitutional.     Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced on Saturday (September 16, 2017), Baghdad's readiness to intervene militarily if the referendum in the Kurdistan region to violence, while the United States, Britain and Spain issued official statements confirming the rejection of the referendum and called for its abolition, which did not The Kurdish leaders have taken care of him, stressing that the referendum will be held on schedule (September 25, 2017).

[Butifldrm]

Iraq's top court orders suspension of Kurdish independence referendum

By Sara Sirgany and Chandrika Narayan, CNN

 

Updated 1:07 PM ET, Mon September 18, 2017

 

 

 

 

 

Source: CNN

Kirkuk governor speaks to CNN in July: Time is right for Kurds' vote 05:25

(CNN)Iraq's Supreme Court on Monday ordered the suspension of a September 25 referendum on Kurdish independence, but a Kurdish official said the vote will go on as planned.

The court's move came in response to at least two lawsuits challenging the planned vote. One was filed by Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi.

 

Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi visits Mosul in July 2017.

Another was filed by four members of Iraq's Parliament -- who called for the suspension of the referendum and the designation of the poll as unconstitutional, according to court documents.

But Abdullah Warty, a member of the referendum committee, told CNN that the vote will go on as scheduled despite the court's order. The referendum has been criticized by the United Nations, and US, British and Turkish diplomats.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said any referendum would take away from the battle against ISIS, and that the issue should be resolved through "structured dialogue and constructive compromise."

"The Secretary-General believes that any unilateral decision to hold a referendum at this time would detract from the need to defeat ISIL, as well as the much-needed reconstruction of the regained territories and the facilitation of a safe, voluntary and dignified return of the more than 3 million refugees and internally displaced people," Guterres said in a statement.

British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon echoed his remarks.

"That is our message to President Barzani, (of Iraqi Kurdistan) this referendum is a mistake, and could detract from the essential campaign of defeating Daesh (ISIS)," Fallon said Monday.

Meanwhile Turkey fears the vote could stoke separatist aspirations among its own sizable Kurdish minority.

White House: Vote 'distracting'

On Friday, the White House called on the Kurdish Regional Government to call off the referendum, saying it was "distracting from efforts to defeat ISIS."

The Kurdish government administers Iraqi Kurdistan, the semi-autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq.

Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq, known as Peshmerga, and in northern Syria, known as the People's Protection Units or YPG, have proven effective fighting forces on the ground against ISIS.

Numbering about 30 million, Kurds make up a sizable minority in a number of Middle Eastern nations, comprising about 10% of the population in Syria, 19% in Turkey, 15-20% in Iraq, and nearly 10% in Iran. They have never had a nation state of their own, resulting in Kurdish nationalist movements across the region.

Kirkuk governor: Dreams sometimes become reality

Najmaldin Karim, the governor of Kirkuk province, in a July interview with CNN's Fred Pleitgen, said the Peshmerga forces were the "first to stand up to the aggression of ISIS."

"So I believe for the people of Kurdistan to express their opinion as far as independence is a legitimate right and the history that the Kurds have been through with successive Iraqi governments is a proof that the current arrangements are not working."

He said Kurds had been subjected to discrimination for decades, and that the time was ripe for a referendum and then a serious discussion with the Iraqi government on a peaceful separation.

"Everybody has the right to dream, of course," he said. "Dream sometimes becomes reality."

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story contained an incorrect spelling for referendum committee member Abdullah Warty.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/middleeast/iraq-kurdish-referendum/index.html

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Infallible renews {invitations dialogue] and Abadi gets a decision {my}

19/9/2017 12:00 am    Federal Court declares unconstitutional referendum of the province  Baghdad / Irbil / Shaima Rashid / Sundus Abdul Wahab  The president of the republic Fuad Masoum reiterated his call for creating political climate to find a "political, political, economic, political, economic, political, Realistic solutions "to the outstanding issues between Baghdad and Erbil, stressing his quest to find a" real solution "to the crisis, Prime Minister Haider Abadi completed the legal cover necessary to curb the step of holding the referendum," illegal constitutionally and nationally "after obtaining the delegation of legislative authority represented by the House of Representatives The decision of the Federal Court, "state levels" to stop the referendum procedures in the region.  This comes at a time when the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Antonio Guterich, "respect for the sovereignty of Iraq" and that the referendum "will divert attention from the need to defeat (urged), and reiterated France and Turkey rejection of him, stressing the support of the position of the Iraqi government and territorial integrity of Iraq, That "this measure may lead to the creation of future crises," Turkish troops began military exercises near a border crossing with the Kurdistan region because of "the continuation of the region preparations for the referendum on independence."  unifying efforts  The President of the Republic, in a presidential statement, met with a Turkmen delegation included Arshad Salhi, head of the Turkmen Front and member of the House of Representatives Abbas al-Bayati, "seeking to bring the views and view the views of all parties involved in order to create an appropriate ground on which the dialogue to reach a real solution to the crisis Current ".  In a separate meeting with the head of the National Alliance, Ammar al-Hakim, he stressed the importance of uniting efforts to create political atmosphere to start the process of dialogue between the political parties leading to finding realistic solutions to the problems, especially regarding the outstanding issues between the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government.  "The importance of the initiative launched by the president is infallible for dialogue and the promotion of peaceful solutions to the existing civilizations," al-Hakim stressed, stressing the importance of the dialogue language to stir up convulsions and statements that would raise tensions and complicate the crisis. .  Stop the referendum procedures  In parallel, in a step to authorize the House of Representatives to take "necessary" measures against the referendum, Prime Minister Haider Abadi announced the approval of the Federal Court to suspend the procedures of the referendum on the Kurdistan region at his request.  A statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office that "Abadi appealed to the Federal Court on the unconstitutionality of the separation of any province or province of Iraq, as well as issuing a mandate to stop the proceedings of the referendum secession of Kurdistan, and accordingly the Federal Court approved the request."  "The court held its session in the presence of all members and considered the applications submitted to stop the referendum procedures in the Kurdistan region and in the areas covered by the referendum," the statement said.  The statement added that "after the deliberation and to provide the formal requirements in the legal applications, issued a mandate to suspend the proceedings of the referendum scheduled to be held on 25/9/2017, under Presidential Decree No. (106) on 8/6/2017 issued by the Presidency of the Kurdistan Region until the settlement of cases established On the basis of the provisions of Article (151) of the Civil Procedure Law No. (83) of 1969 ".  The Ministerial Council for National Security also rejected the referendum of the Kurdistan region for "unconstitutional."  "The Ministerial Council for National Security confirmed its clear position in protecting the unity of Iraq and the safety of all its citizens and stopping measures that threaten the security of the country and the citizen," the statement said.  "The council has also affirmed its rejection of the referendum in the Kurdistan region because it is unconstitutional and represents a threat to national security and the unity of the Iraqi fabric," the statement said, adding that the council "seeks security for all Iraqis with all their identities and is keen on the security of the country and peaceful coexistence among citizens.  "The council stressed the importance of dialogue to resolve outstanding issues rather than jeopardizing the security of the country," the council said, calling for "speeding up the ratification of the implementation of the death sentences against those convicted of terrorist crimes."  The National Security Council called on the House of Representatives to accelerate the adoption of amending the amnesty law to enable the authorities to carry out the death sentences against terrorists convicted of decisions that have been obtained by the law of amnesty.  According to a written statement to the Prime Minister's Office, Abadi met the ambassadors of France and Turkey to Baghdad, Brno Hoter and Fattah Yildiz. The two ambassadors affirmed the position of their two countries rejecting the referendum in the Kurdistan region and supporting the position of the Iraqi government and the territorial integrity of Iraq.  Discussions continue  On the other hand, the so-called "Kurdistan Region Referendum Council", which confirmed that dialogues with all international parties will continue "constructive and responsible spirit," met by the announcement of "Electoral Commission and the referendum in the region," on Monday, the opening of two offices in Kirkuk and Nineveh The referendum process, stressing that 64 international observers have been registered to follow up the process.  "UNHCR has set up two offices in the provinces of Kirkuk and Nineveh to run the referendum, as well as the training of staff and voting mechanisms of the Kurds abroad," UNHCR spokesman Shirwan Zerari said in a press conference. "The proportion of logistics access to the referendum reached 90 percent "He said.  Zarari added that "the coordination with the concerned authorities on the special vote," explaining that "the special voting process will include security forces and patients who are in hospitals and displaced."  "11 political entities, 64 international observers and 65 media institutions were registered to monitor the referendum process," he said.  However, the MP for the bloc of change in the Parliament of the region, Rabun Maarouf, revealed, in an interview for "morning", a meeting expected for the Supreme Committee for the referendum in the Kurdistan region in Baghdad in order to reach a solution that satisfies all parties, expressing his hope that the National Initiative for Dialogue Which was adopted by President Fuad Masum to a satisfactory solution.  He called on the government of the region to exercise caution and deal seriously with the regional and international rejection and the growing popularity, especially after the decision of the Federal Court to stop the proceedings of the referendum secession of the region, stressing that the risk of the referendum will be largely on the disputed areas and there is a fear of those living in these areas of its consequences.  He added that "rejecters of the referendum in the provinces of the region are afraid to come out and express their views in the street for fear of the suppression of security institutions, adding that there is no freedom of expression and peaceful demonstration in light of this deteriorating situation.  Sovereignty and unity of Iraq  At the international level, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterich said the referendum planned by the Kurdistan region "will divert attention from the need to defeat" calls for the reconstruction of liberated areas.  "The Secretary-General respects the sovereignty, integrity and unity of his territory and sees the need to resolve all outstanding issues between the federal government and the KRG through an organized dialogue and a constructive settlement," UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said in a statement.  "The Secretary-General calls on all leaders in Iraq to address this issue patiently and with restraint."  For his part, said the President of the Islamic Shura Council Ali Larijani: The governments of Iraq and neighboring countries oppose the decision of the Kurdistan region of Iraq to hold a referendum on secession from this country.  Larijani said that "holding a referendum in the Kurdistan region of Iraq will harm the Kurdish people," noting that "not only the Iraqi people and government, but all the neighboring countries of Iraq announced its refusal to organize the Kurdistan region of Iraq for this referendum."  Larijani pointed out that "this measure may lead to the creation of future crises for this country," explaining that "the region will be economically damaged and therefore Iran is opposed to the organization of the referendum in the Kurdistan region."  While the Turkish government went further. The state-run TRT television reported on Monday that its troops had begun military maneuvers near a border crossing with the Kurdistan region because "the region is continuing its preparations for an independence referendum."  The channel said on its website: "The Turkish armed forces began to conduct maneuvers in the area of Silopi in the province of Chernak, including the crossing of the Khabur border (Ibrahim Khalil) bordering the Iraqi border," indicating that "the exercises come as the Kurdish government continues its preparations for a referendum on independence On the twenty-fifth of this September, despite all the warnings addressed to it in this regard. " Hundreds also demonstrated in the Turkish city of Istanbul to demand the protection of Turkmen in Kirkuk,  The move was initiated by the youth section of the opposition "Greater Unity" party.  Invoking the Constitution  Also said that the referendum "will not go away and that it will not have any impact," stressing the need to retreat Massoud Barzani from his position and sit at the table of dialogue.  Saadi said in a press statement that "despite the serious escalation of the crisis between the governments of Baghdad and the region, in addition to the escalation by neighboring countries such as Turkey and Iran, but we believe that the time is still enough to overcome the crisis and get out of them," stressing that " To be Faisal solve this crisis. "  Al-Saadi said that "Barzani claims that there is injustice to the Kurds from the federal government and there are violations and transgressions on the Constitution, and at the same time, the federal government believes in reality and not hidden to everyone that the violation of the Constitution is Barzani, who exceeded his partners in the political process, Outside the law and fled and drove out the head of the province of parliament and fought his partners. "  While MP Abbas al-Bayati stressed the need to resort to the Constitution in solving the problems, and called, in an interview for the "morning", the Kurds to reconsider their positions and calculations and to engage in constructive dialogue with the federal government in "insistence on the referendum means to go to the unknown."  Al-Bayati added that "the collection of signatures to remove the Kirkuk Provincial Council and the declaration of an emergency government in which the personal views of the parliament can not dismiss the existing Council as the situation can not tolerate further escalation steps," noting that "talk about the declaration of martial law or the appointment of a military governor in Kirkuk unfounded And does not have legal support. "  "The Kurds are discussing international and regional initiatives and mediation and can not ignore them because there are great countries that helped and supported the establishment of the Kurdish entity since 1991 and it is in the interest of the Kurds to listen to and respond to them," al-Bayati said.

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(Israel) and the dream of the Kurdish state

Author: Hamza Mustafa 19/09/2017 0:00 This is the half century in which Barzani's political experience matured as well as the struggle was and is still largely a century of Arab-Islamic conflict with Israel. True, there are relations with Israel with some Arab countries, and there is a connection between the Israelis and the Palestinians, but this is something and I want to say something else. Relations between States are often imposed by certain contexts, many of which may be imposed by the fait accompli. But more importantly, these relations come within the context of a certain historical and is not a jump on all wills and conflicts and the problems and problems that can result. To get closer to what we want to say, Israel's stand alone with the right of the Kurds to establish their own state with the rejection of the whole world is surprising. To ask first: Does the whole world reject the Kurdish dream except Israel, of course? If the answer is yes, this is in itself a disaster. It can simply be said that this right is illegal. But the issue is not here. We must distinguish between the right or dream Kurdish or Arab or Turkish or Persian or Indian in the establishment of a state, and separation from the country of its constitution does not allow it. This equation is understood by the whole world, who agreed to reject the referendum because it is not an expression of a legitimate dream insofar as it is a separation attempt that is not legitimate. The only party that did not understand this equation or rather does not want to understand it is Israel. what does that mean? Means that Israel has its own goals that have nothing to do with the Kurdish dream. Because we are all with this dream. Did not the Kurdish brothers say that the Sykes-Picot agreement was wrong by dividing them among four countries. Yes this is not bad. But when historical, political and geographical conditions mature, so that this right or dream can be achieved through a Kurdish state within the map of Greater Kurdistan, which includes about 50 million Kurds, then no one can confiscate this right. However, resorting to a referendum that is not approved by the constitution under the pretext of a national right that is not supported by Israel only involves real risks to the Kurds before others.  Their disobedience.

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Kareem, governor of Iraq's Kirkuk region: 'We're not afraid of threats'

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Presidential President Important 

Speaker of the House of Representatives discusses with the President of the Republic ways to support dialogue and find outputs for the referendum issue

 September 18, 2017 5 Views

The Speaker of the House of Representatives Dr. Salim Al-Jubouri met on Monday evening with President Fuad Masoum.

During the meeting, they discussed the developments on the political and security levels and ways to support the dialogue between the central government and the Kurdistan region to reach quick outputs and solutions to the issue of the referendum.

The meeting also dealt with the importance of crystallizing visions shared by the Iraqi parties to confront any crisis that could occur in the future, and the need to review all the issues accumulated and agree on real solutions to them according to the Constitution.

The two sides stressed the support of all laws and decisions that are aimed at improving the conditions of living and serving the citizen, and the interest in developing the economic reality of the country and activating the requirements of economic development.

 

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information Office

To the Speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives

18/9/2017

 

http://ar.parliament.iq/2017/09/18/رئيس-مجلس-النواب-يبحث-مع-رئيس-الجمهوري/

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Kurdish negotiator arrives in Baghdad

Monday 18 September 2017  

 

 

According to local media, the arrival of Kurdish delegation negotiator to the capital Baghdad, while expected to discuss with the federal government file of the referendum in the Kurdistan region and other files stuck.

It is noteworthy that the Federal Court issued earlier today a state order to stop the procedures of the referendum of Kurdistan, asserting that the decision of the referendum unconstitutional, in return, a number of Kurdish leaders and deputies to proceed with the referendum scheduled date and non-compliance with the Federal Court order.

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Here we go. World War Whole Dang World! 

 

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3 hours ago, Butifldrm said:

 

Kareem, governor of Iraq's Kirkuk region: 'We're not afraid of threats'

butifldrm  Thanks,

 

Kareem,  You are history with all of your corruption with the Barzani Clan.

 

GO JUSTICE 

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Will somebody tell GOI to implement Article 140 and HCL compliance to Article 140 immidietly to solve the crisis?

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URGENT Kurdish referendum delegation arrives in Baghdad

Editorial Date: 2017/9/18 23:04 • 1363 times read

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Newspaper: US and Iran agree for the first time against the referendum of Kurdistan

 

 Since 2017-09-19 at 10:50 (Baghdad time)

Baghdad Mawazine News

The arch-rivals of the United States and Iran have agreed for the first time against a referendum in Kurdistan, the British newspaper The Times reported on Tuesday.

The paper published an analysis of Richard Spencer entitled "Enemies challenging a separatist movement", that "the plan of Iraqi Kurdistan to hold a referendum on independence led to the union of bitter rivals, the United States and Iran."

Spencer said, "The United States and Iran are fully opposed, and the envoys of the two countries are trying independently to walk all the doors in Iraqi Kurdistan, to please officials there to postpone the referendum at least."

The newspaper pointed out that "the irony is that both sides oppose the referendum because he thinks it will be in the interest of the other party."

Spencer said that "for Washington, the referendum will increase the destabilization of Iraq, which invested a lot of time, Washington extracted itself from the Iraqi quagmire and established the rules of an Iraqi state can continue, but this threatens the rise of a populist three years ago, and now threatened by the referendum planned on The independence of Iraqi Kurdistan, and for Iran, the Kurds allies have proved to be unreliable. "

He explained that "during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran supported the Kurds against their common enemy, which led to the chemical attack launched by former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein on Halabja in 1988, but after the Kurdish autonomy, became the closest allies of Washington and London in the region, rather From the alliance with Tehran. "

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Saudi calls Barzani to accept the UN proposal

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The Minister of State for Gulf Affairs Thamer Al-Subhan on Tuesday called on Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani to accept the UN proposal on the referendum on independence.

"I look forward to the wisdom and courage of President Massoud Barzani to accept the international mediation to resolve the current crisis within the UN proposals and spare Iraq crises that is ruthless," the Saudi minister said in a tweet on Twitter.

According to the reports, the proposal presented by the UN envoy to Iraq Jan Kubic Thursday to Barzani, the Iraqi government and the Government of the Territory immediately launched "intensive negotiations, intensive and intensive, without preconditions and an open agenda on ways to solve all the problems, Which will determine future relations and cooperation between Baghdad and Erbil. "

The two sides should conclude their negotiations within two to three years and can request "the United Nations, on behalf of the international community, to offer its good offices both in the negotiation process and in the development of results and conclusions."

On the other hand, "the provincial government decides not to hold a referendum on September 25."

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The Independent High Elections and Referendum Commission (IHERC) has removed the Food Ration Card from the required list for diaspora Kurdistanis seeking to vote in Kurdistan's upcoming referendum on independence......Maybe this means something. Maybe not but it seems they had to turn in ration cards in order to be able to vote. No more subsidizing of food ? Could that be an IMF requirement in some situations???

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15 minutes ago, blueskyline said:

Maybe this means something. Maybe not but

The Supreme Commission of Kurdistan announces the required documents for the participation of the Kurdish community in the referendum

By Rudao 2 hours ago

The referendum on independence will take place in the Kurdistan Region on 25 September

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The head of the Independent Commission for Elections and Referendum in the Kurdistan Region, Hendrin Mohammed, on the required documents for the participation of the Kurdish community in the referendum, referring to the need to "provide ration card to participate in the referendum on independence." 

"The Kurdistanians living outside the region will not be able to participate in the independence referendum without the availability of their ration card," Mohammed told the RODAO news channel. "The votes of those who do not have ration cards are not counted if this is discovered after voting." 

He added that "we demand four votes to vote in the referendum, namely: Iraqi nationality, passport and national card, and each citizen who owns the ration card with any other observer, to participate in the referendum."

The head of the Electoral Commission for Elections and Referendum in the Kurdistan Region that "under the laws of the Commission, every citizen does not have the ration card will not be able to vote, because the registration of the names of voters are in accordance with the numbers listed in the ration card lists." 

It is noteworthy that the registration of the Kurdish community wishing to participate in the referendum scheduled for 25 September, began since Friday, and said the data director of the Commission, Karwan Jalal, Roedao that "registration will continue for a week provided that their names in the lists of voters in the Kurdistan Region."