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[bostonangler]

3 hours ago, divemaster5734 said:

Trump had a chat with China, and China turned away coal from N.Korea, told them to chill out, and all the dems can do is scream about "getting cozy", instead of the massive reversal of escalated tensions.

Trump ends the TPP, and all the dems do is scream "isolationist".

 Trump curbs illegal immigration by 70% and the dems scream "racist"

Paid protestors claim Trump is a fascist, and use fascist violence against Trump.

The ONLY thing the dems are is hypocrites.

I'm shocked.

The HR visa program was shoved down our throats by the establishment RINO's, along with the FTZ's.

The unions, and dems fought it, Trump curbed it, thereby saving hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs, FOR AMERICANS, and all you do is scream "regulation".

It's called PROTECTION for Americans, AGAINST all those so evil corporations you guys are always crying about, and here you are, still hating it.

What about all those families that lost their homes because the jobs were given to a foreigner with little to no experience, the American had to train the person that took their job, but the company was able to pay slave wage, AND, the company holds the visa, NOT the worker.

Microsoft has several huge condo complexes that are all foreign workers, forced to "buy" their home in the complex, because they are "property" of Microsoft. 

They are "allowed" to be among the general AMerican population, unlike the foreign workers in an FTZ, who are forced to work under international law, cant leave the high security compound, and usually work 10 to 12 hours a day, seven days a week.

Are you going to cry when those are closed down too?

 

You refuse to see because you are determined to hate anything and everything Trump does.

And then you sit back are are amazed when we see through the BS and call you on it.

Coorslite has it right, along with so many others.

I thought you were PRO union, but your words say otherwise.

Isn't it time to finally become an American?
 

 

 

I am Pro-Union, the problem is that America ranks outside the top twenty in the world for math, science, engineering. I know living near the Volkswagen plant, they cannot find educated workers to fill their jobs, so they bring in people from Europe to fill key positions. That is a huge problem for American business. I don't like it, and I think we need to do a better job with education. There are many high schools now that do not allow an honor roll. There is no incentive to succeed... The manby panby American society doesn't want to hurt the feelings of their young. I have mentioned my 15 year old works, pays for her phone, tablet, going rolling skating and more. My friend think I'm too hard on her. I have one friend who has a 14 year old and he carries her book-bag, ties her shoes. It's insane. I blame liberals for our education system. I blame corporations for not investing more in training. I don't like either the democratic or republican parties. Their agendas do not align with what is best for America, and yet almost everyone I know votes for one or the other. We need strong independent voices that are not bought and paid for.

 

B/A

[bostonangler]

5 hours ago, coorslite21 said:

Could you name who you are claiming to be criminals?......and give us some supporting evidence as to why this is the case?.......Thanks

Hillarious... Crook.  Donald Trump... Crook.  The Kennedys, The Bushs, Richard Nixon, Mitch McConnell, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Crook, Crook, Crook... I can go on.

 

B/A

[Jim1cor13]

15 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

I am Pro-Union, the problem is that America ranks outside the top twenty in the world for math, science, engineering. I know living near the Volkswagen plant, they cannot find educated workers to fill their jobs, so they bring in people from Europe to fill key positions. That is a huge problem for American business. I don't like it, and I think we need to do a better job with education. There are many high schools now that do not allow an honor roll. There is no incentive to succeed... The manby panby American society doesn't want to hurt the feelings of their young. I have mentioned my 15 year old works, pays for her phone, tablet, going rolling skating and more. My friend think I'm too hard on her. I have one friend who has a 14 year old and he carries her book-bag, ties her shoes. It's insane. I blame liberals for our education system. I blame corporations for not investing more in training. I don't like either the democratic or republican parties. Their agendas do not align with what is best for America, and yet almost everyone I know votes for one or the other. We need strong independent voices that are not bought and paid for.

 

B/A

 

You have stated this many times BA, very clear and to the point about what you support and what you do not, and yet few read

and learn about you, they only react and label you. You should know by now, living your own truth is not

being part of the "group" mindset and you will always be a target because some enjoy the hunt. Gives some idea

of why this country will not likely be able to rise up above the BS and return to a constitutional republic because

politics will continue to keep the people divided, it is meant to do that. Both parties are the same, proven by their actions

and sold out to the "globalists". Most will never admit to it because they cannot, else it would shatter their perception.

 

You are right, we DO need strong independent voices...not attached to any party nor ideology, those who only choose

freedom over tyranny. If you find those genuine voices, please let me know. In my daily communications, much of what I see is wasted time

bickering instead of finding common ground that unites the people. It is getting a little better, but far too much nonsense,

and sad thing is we lose as a people every day the division continues and gives cover to corruption.

 

Thanks BA, hope you have been doing well.

[coorslite21]

14 hours ago, bostonangler said:

Hillarious... Crook.  Donald Trump... Crook.  The Kennedys, The Bushs, Richard Nixon, Mitch McConnell, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Crook, Crook, Crook... I can go on.

 

B/A

Have to say.....we agree on this one.......the whole swamp.....for a long long time....!!!!

[coorslite21]

14 hours ago, Jim1cor13 said:

 

You have stated this many times BA, very clear and to the point about what you support and what you do not, and yet few read

and learn about you, they only react and label you. You should know by now, living your own truth is not

being part of the "group" mindset and you will always be a target because some enjoy the hunt. Gives some idea

of why this country will not likely be able to rise up above the BS and return to a constitutional republic because

politics will continue to keep the people divided, it is meant to do that. Both parties are the same, proven by their actions

and sold out to the "globalists". Most will never admit to it because they cannot, else it would shatter their perception.

 

You are right, we DO need strong independent voices...not attached to any party nor ideology, those who only choose

freedom over tyranny. If you find those genuine voices, please let me know. In my daily communications, much of what I see is wasted time

bickering instead of finding common ground that unites the people. It is getting a little better, but far too much nonsense,

and sad thing is we lose as a people every day the division continues and gives cover to corruption.

 

Thanks BA, hope you have been doing well.

Jim.......nice post.........I have a hard time reading B/A sometimes........not how he writes..........but what he believes in.......probably just me??

[RV ME]

18 hours ago, Jim1cor13 said:

 

You have stated this many times BA, very clear and to the point about what you support and what you do not, and yet few read

and learn about you, they only react and label you. You should know by now, living your own truth is not

being part of the "group" mindset and you will always be a target because some enjoy the hunt. Gives some idea

of why this country will not likely be able to rise up above the BS and return to a constitutional republic because

politics will continue to keep the people divided, it is meant to do that. Both parties are the same, proven by their actions

and sold out to the "globalists". Most will never admit to it because they cannot, else it would shatter their perception.

 

You are right, we DO need strong independent voices...not attached to any party nor ideology, those who only choose

freedom over tyranny. If you find those genuine voices, please let me know. In my daily communications, much of what I see is wasted time

bickering instead of finding common ground that unites the people. It is getting a little better, but far too much nonsense,

and sad thing is we lose as a people every day the division continues and gives cover to corruption.

 

Thanks BA, hope you have been doing well.

If you believe what you say here, I guess your readers are better than mine, that or you need to reread some of B/A’s past comments to me.

When I first engaged B/A in conversation it was because all of the liberal talking points she used as the basis of fact for her opinions.  Explain how B/A stating as fact that “everything good came from progressives and everything bad came from conservatives” is not the epitome of a group mindset and how that is not politically divisive.

Perhaps you can explain how it is that B/A is a staunchly self proclaimed Republican, yet given credit for not being tied a party?  Is it because her ideology more closely parallels yours thereby allowing you to proclaim that others are ideological and divisive?  Maybe you can explain how proclaiming Obummer as one of the ten best Presidents is not based in ideology?

You may call it ideology, but I call it core beliefs, and I will engage anyone in debate to not only defend my beliefs, but to also try to persuade the debatee to gravitate to my side, especially if they can’t logically defend their position.  You may call that bickering, but if you look back at the string of communication B/A and I have had, I would say there are several areas in which we have found common ground.  The bickering / debates we have had has not created a deeper divide, it has done just the opposite.  Granted, we still probably disagree on more than we agree, but by actually engaging in substantive discussions we have been able to find common ground on some things.

Your posts are normally pretty good at identifying and pointing out problems (even if consistently lacking in offering any solutions), but I think you missed the mark on this one.  Blaming everyone else for being ideological while ignoring the same in B/A makes me question what you are talking about.  What exactly it is you have learned about B/A through her posts that lets you say she is not ideological?  After all, even you would have to admit that claiming the Founding Fathers were really political progressives takes a certain ideology, apparently given a pass by you.

Oh, and I hope B/A is doing well too.  How’s that for inclusiveness. 

[coorslite21]

34 minutes ago, RV ME said:

If you believe what you say here, I guess your readers are better than mine, that or you need to reread some of B/A’s past comments to me.

 

When I first engaged B/A in conversation it was because all of the liberal talking points she used as the basis of fact for her opinions.  Explain how B/A stating as fact that “everything good came from progressives and everything bad came from conservatives” is not the epitome of a group mindset and how that is not politically divisive.

 

Perhaps you can explain how it is that B/A is a staunchly self proclaimed Republican, yet given credit for not being tied a party?  Is it because her ideology more closely parallels yours thereby allowing you to proclaim that others are ideological and divisive?  Maybe you can explain how proclaiming Obummer as one of the ten best Presidents is not based in ideology?

 

You may call it ideology, but I call it core beliefs, and I will engage anyone in debate to not only defend my beliefs, but to also try to persuade the debatee to gravitate to my side, especially if they can’t logically defend their position.  You may call that bickering, but if you look back at the string of communication B/A and I have had, I would say there are several areas in which we have found common ground.  The bickering / debates we have had has not created a deeper divide, it has done just the opposite.  Granted, we still probably disagree on more than we agree, but by actually engaging in substantive discussions we have been able to find common ground on some things.

 

Your posts are normally pretty good at identifying and pointing out problems (even if consistently lacking in offering any solutions), but I think you missed the mark on this one.  Blaming everyone else for being ideological while ignoring the same in B/A makes me question what you are talking about.  What exactly it is you have learned about B/A through her posts that lets you say she is not ideological?  After all, even you would have to admit that claiming the Founding Fathers were really political progressives takes a certain ideology, apparently given a pass by you.

 

Oh, and I hope B/A is doing well too.  How’s that for inclusiveness. 

 

 

Not that it matters.........as I said above......"hard time reading B/A".......I thought she, was a he.....??...........who knew??

[RV ME]

35 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

Not that it matters.........as I said above......"hard time reading B/A".......I thought she, was a he.....??...........who knew??

Actually, nobody but BA does knows.  My beliefs are based on things I’ve observed and read in past posts, but when asked, there has been no answer.

[divemaster5734]

19 hours ago, bostonangler said:

I am Pro-Union, the problem is that America ranks outside the top twenty in the world for math, science, engineering. I know living near the Volkswagen plant, they cannot find educated workers to fill their jobs, so they bring in people from Europe to fill key positions. That is a huge problem for American business. I don't like it, and I think we need to do a better job with education. There are many high schools now that do not allow an honor roll. There is no incentive to succeed... The manby panby American society doesn't want to hurt the feelings of their young. I have mentioned my 15 year old works, pays for her phone, tablet, going rolling skating and more. My friend think I'm too hard on her. I have one friend who has a 14 year old and he carries her book-bag, ties her shoes. It's insane. I blame liberals for our education system. I blame corporations for not investing more in training. I don't like either the democratic or republican parties. Their agendas do not align with what is best for America, and yet almost everyone I know votes for one or the other. We need strong independent voices that are not bought and paid for.

 

B/A

I have spoken at length about abolishing the DOE.

What gives me pause is how you can acknowledge your comment, yet still declare absolute support for any progressive agenda.

It is the progressives that infiltrated the DOE, immediately removed vital history, civics, math, and legal standing from the school curriculum, and replaced it with socialist agenda and special interest.

Instead of learning what a surety bond is in third grade, they are taught how to apply a condom, or worse, how to engage in homo acts.

That is ALL progressive agenda.

It is the progressive agenda that has so brainwashed kids they don't even know what the word "fascist" means, to them its just another swear word, something they can use at will against any opponent, and they scream that word at other humans, as they employ fascist tactics to deny others their basic rights.

How can you call yourself a "constitutionalist" if you believe in ANY gun control?

While I agree drugs are a sure way to quick death, how is it the government is allowed to incarcerate individuals for using them in their own home in a constitutional society?

Sure, there were coke addicts, look up post civil war veteran coca cola addicts. Instead of patch up an arm with a bullet hole, often their whole arm would be amputated, both because of the time delay, and the damage caused by the .50 "minnie". 

After the civil war there were lots of "beggars" looking for another bottle of coca cola, trying to relive the constant pain.

The correct approach is education, short of that detoxification, NOT incarceration. 

The civil statutes of the Corporation of the United States are NOT even legal, yet you have supported every left wing socialist agenda and policy since you came here.

You can't just switch from progressive socialist to American Constitutionalist like you are going from yoga pants to blue jeans, one or the other is more than just the "flavor of the day".

This is why I am having a hard time responding to you, why I had to step back for a time, and why I am reaching out now.

How can you agree the TPP was bad, yet still hate Trump for being the ONLY one with enough cajones to end it?

How can you love America, yet still welcome criminals who's only intent is to suck the life out of our economy?

Don't give me a bleeding heart bull crud BS, there are some willing to work, but the greatest majority of the obama era illegals came up expecting a life of free, and refuse to go find a job.

I can go on, but I need to clarify.

I've tried discussing this with you in the past, only to get vague answers.

How is it, that after eight of the most vile, incompetent, and divisive leadership this country has ever seen, you are unable to find ANYTHING Trump does, INCLUDING actions promoting agendas you claim to support?

Please do explain, because a lot of other are seeing those double standards as something else.

 

 

[RV ME]

21 hours ago, divemaster5734 said:

I have spoken at length about abolishing the DOE.

What gives me pause is how you can acknowledge your comment, yet still declare absolute support for any progressive agenda.

It is the progressives that infiltrated the DOE, immediately removed vital history, civics, math, and legal standing from the school curriculum, and replaced it with socialist agenda and special interest.

Instead of learning what a surety bond is in third grade, they are taught how to apply a condom, or worse, how to engage in homo acts.

That is ALL progressive agenda.

It is the progressive agenda that has so brainwashed kids they don't even know what the word "fascist" means, to them its just another swear word, something they can use at will against any opponent, and they scream that word at other humans, as they employ fascist tactics to deny others their basic rights.

How can you call yourself a "constitutionalist" if you believe in ANY gun control?

While I agree drugs are a sure way to quick death, how is it the government is allowed to incarcerate individuals for using them in their own home in a constitutional society?

Sure, there were coke addicts, look up post civil war veteran coca cola addicts. Instead of patch up an arm with a bullet hole, often their whole arm would be amputated, both because of the time delay, and the damage caused by the .50 "minnie". 

After the civil war there were lots of "beggars" looking for another bottle of coca cola, trying to relive the constant pain.

The correct approach is education, short of that detoxification, NOT incarceration. 

The civil statutes of the Corporation of the United States are NOT even legal, yet you have supported every left wing socialist agenda and policy since you came here.

You can't just switch from progressive socialist to American Constitutionalist like you are going from yoga pants to blue jeans, one or the other is more than just the "flavor of the day".

This is why I am having a hard time responding to you, why I had to step back for a time, and why I am reaching out now.

How can you agree the TPP was bad, yet still hate Trump for being the ONLY one with enough cajones to end it?

How can you love America, yet still welcome criminals who's only intent is to suck the life out of our economy?

Don't give me a bleeding heart bull crud BS, there are some willing to work, but the greatest majority of the obama era illegals came up expecting a life of free, and refuse to go find a job.

I can go on, but I need to clarify.

I've tried discussing this with you in the past, only to get vague answers.

How is it, that after eight of the most vile, incompetent, and divisive leadership this country has ever seen, you are unable to find ANYTHING Trump does, INCLUDING actions promoting agendas you claim to support?

Please do explain, because a lot of other are seeing those double standards as something else.

 

 

It's not a double standard, it is a complete 180 from what BA said earlier. In the fist contact I mentioned above, one of BA's claims was that progressives created the great education system and conservatives destroyed it (presumably No Child Left Behind was the cause of the collapse of the great education system). 

I consider the fact that BA now does blame liberals as a step in the right direction and that there is hope she can be fixed in a Ron White sort of way. 

[divemaster5734]

10 hours ago, RV ME said:

It's not a double standard, it is a complete 180 

I consider the fact that BA now does blame liberals as a step in the right direction and that there is hope she can be fixed in a Ron White sort of way. 

True that, except I have seen her declare polar opposites before.

Truth is, Trump was never the "perfect" candidate, that was Ben Carson.

America is far too addicted to bling, and 10 second opinion makers, for Carson to have had a chance.

A little patriotism would be nice though, or, maybe even realistic options to address the whole issue, rather than endless gloom and doom.

Love your optimism RV.

[coorslite21]

Tulsi Gabbard for President 2024.....!