Bye Bye ISIS In Afghanistan!!!

[jg1]

3 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

Each unit costs 16 MILLION... That's $444,444.444 per cockroach, just for one bomb. Not counting the 316 MILLION in R & D or everything else involved including training, flying, recon, fuel, etc. Personally, I think my tax dollars could be better well spent. But that's just my opinion.

 

B/A

Ya, your right. Better to put bounty on ISIS HEADS or send you in to take them out.

[Sage449]

What I appreciate is this is covert, media not involved until after happened. No pre-whinning, just a lot after. Trump's putting world on notice were tired of your  and shenanigans. North Korea on notice, can't believe someone in either country hadn't offed the worm. He's put evil too.

[bostonangler]

1 minute ago, jg1 said:

Ya, your right. Better to put bounty on ISIS HEADS or send you in to take them out.

Thanks, but I'll fight my fight in my country, not some ass backwards country where war never ends. We supply these terror groups one year and the next they use our money against us. Ever hear of the Mujahedeen? Heard of the Bin-Ladens? Without us, neither would have a pot to piss in. Do you realize we have been in Afghanistan for 16 years? how's that working out for us, the American taxpayer. I think we all got taken to the bank and then keep getting spanked.

If you want to take the fight to them and end all evil, use this link to show you back our world police policies. Again, I'm armed and loaded for when they come down my street.

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces

 

B/A

[bostonangler]

4 minutes ago, Sage449 said:

What I appreciate is this is covert, media not involved until after happened. No pre-whinning, just a lot after. Trump's putting world on notice were tired of your  and shenanigans. North Korea on notice, can't believe someone in either country hadn't offed the worm. He's put evil too.

I agree, Kim yung Doofus or the Syrian jerk. A couple of well place bullets sounds like a better deal than a 16 million dollar bomb. JMHO

 

B/A

[RV ME]

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

Excuse me brother can you spare a few million?

 

B/A

 

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

Each unit costs 16 MILLION... That's $444,444.444 per cockroach, just for one bomb. Not counting the 316 MILLION in R & D or everything else involved including training, flying, recon, fuel, etc. Personally, I think my tax dollars could be better well spent. But that's just my opinion.

 

B/A

 

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

I agree, Kim yung Doofus or the Syrian jerk. A couple of well place bullets sounds like a better deal than a 16 million dollar bomb. JMHO

 

B/A

My last comments on this distraction.  I can see why you have such indignation, you get to double dip your disgust for your own party.  Not only did Trump “cost” the Country using the weapon, IT WAS BUSH’S FAULT! since MOAD was developed in 2003.  I suppose by your logic you can insinuate that Obummer was just too frugal to use the weapon last year when the military requested it.  I can give you over 10,000,000,000,000 arguments otherwise though.

Since we are talking distractions and you claim all it takes are a couple bullets to take out Un to save the taxpayers money, explain your plan to actually make that happen.  Then give a cost analysis of your operation.

But in all seriousness, if your indignation for wasting taxpayers dollars is genuine, I look forward in you joining me by pressuring your members of Congress to repeal Obummercare.  You can calculate the cost of each weapon you choose (but to be accurate you need to divide the developmental costs by the number of weapons produced) but the cost of Obummers Mother Of All Tax increases is incalculable because of all the “unintended consequences”.

Now, I’m done with distractions, hope you enjoy the rest of your Good Friday B/A.

[bostonangler]

9 minutes ago, RV ME said:

 

 

My last comments on this distraction.  I can see why you have such indignation, you get to double dip your disgust for your own party.  Not only did Trump “cost” the Country using the weapon, IT WAS BUSH’S FAULT! since MOAD was developed in 2003.  I suppose by your logic you can insinuate that Obummer was just too frugal to use the weapon last year when the military requested it.  I can give you over 10,000,000,000,000 arguments otherwise though.

 

Since we are talking distractions and you claim all it takes are a couple bullets to take out Un to save the taxpayers money, explain your plan to actually make that happen.  Then give a cost analysis of your operation.

 

But in all seriousness, if your indignation for wasting taxpayers dollars is genuine, I look forward in you joining me by pressuring your members of Congress to repeal Obummercare.  You can calculate the cost of each weapon you choose (but to be accurate you need to divide the developmental costs by the number of weapons produced) but the cost of Obummers Mother Of All Tax increases is incalculable because of all the “unintended consequences”.

 

Now, I’m done with distractions, hope you enjoy the rest of your Good Friday B/A.

 

Thank you RV and may you and yours have a safe and happy Easter.... I agree with repealing The Affordable Care Act. But I must add we need to real probably and I'm only guessing dissolve about 90% of federal programs. Including and most importantly reviewing our foreign policy. We need to stop giving away our tax dollars to insurgents, foreign governments, foreign social programs, international relief programs, and many many more ways our tax dollars are wasted. That's just overseas. In our country federal programs need to be shutdown, every business including churches need to pay their fair share of taxes. It may be the desired 15%, but there is no more banking money off-shore. Either you are with us or your are against us. Currently, the actions of the elites and businesses would have been considered treason in the days of my youth.

 

B/A

 

B/A

[Muleslayer]

9 hours ago, bostonangler said:

We need to stop giving away our tax dollars to insurgents, foreign governments, foreign social programs, international relief programs, and many many more ways our tax dollars are wasted.

Whoda thunk! I am impressed.

[new york kevin]

Boston why are you ragging on the costs of this bomb. Expensive as get out for sure. Its also a force multiplier, cuz the psychological aspects of the dropping of this moab  just may save more American lives because it tells the terrorists  the US can take out a small city  or base with this weapon alone. Thus they may not gather in large areas again. Making them less organized, and a less effective fighting force. Where are the Taliban and Assad.

[Muleslayer]

31 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

Boston why are you ragging on the costs of this bomb. Expensive as get out for sure. Its also a force multiplier, cuz the psychological aspects of the dropping of this moab  just may save more American lives because it tells the terrorists  the US can take out a small city  or base with this weapon alone. Thus they may not gather in large areas again. Making them less organized, and a less effective fighting force. Where are the Taliban and Assad.

Not to shabby! 

[RV ME]

On 4/14/2017 at 0:40 PM, bostonangler said:

 

B/A, I decided that my previous comment could not be my last regarding this distraction since it has been learned that your entire objection was based on fake news supplied by the New York Times.  It seems you fell for sirens song since it fit your mold that anything Trump does is bad.  Now that you know the cost was not $16,000,000 per bomb, but was actually $170,000, do you still disagree with its use?  

 

Media and the Left Create Laughably Wrong MOAB Cost Calamity

By Tom Blumer | April 16, 2017 | 5:47 PM EDT

 

Shortly after the U.S. military dropped a MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) on an ISIS tunnel complex in Nangahar Province in Afghanistan, the media began citing the alleged costs involved. The exaggerations, some by a factor of over 1,000, even after considering all of the mission's likely direct costs, were laughably wild, and resulted from a combination of sloppy thinking and ignorant reporting.

The original Thursday coverage at the New York Times by reporters Helene Cooper and Mujib Mashal made it appear to the casual reader as if their quoted costs came from the military (bolds are mine throughout this post):

Thursday’s strike in Afghanistan — using a 20,000-pound bomb that cost $16 million, and more than $300 million to develop — hit a tunnel complex in the Achin district of Nangarhar Province, according to a statement from the United States military in Afghanistan.

To the surprise of no one familiar with the Old Gray Lady's slippery ways, the U.S. military's statement on the strike did not cite any cost figure.

Other establishment press outlets initially ran with single-bomb cost figures north of $300 million, leading to a Twitterstorm of complaints about how that money could have been better spent here at home. Examples:

"Trump just blew up a 314 million #MOAB in #Afghanistan while gutting social programs like any red blooded sociopath would."

(from a Florida University professor) "The Moab bomb cost $ 314 million. They could have been alternatively allocated to research, healthcare or education."

"The bomb Trump just dropped on Afghanistan cost $314 million. Enough money to fix the water crisis in Flint almost three times over."

The walkback began when several people noticed a 2011 Los Angeles Times article discussing the delivery of 20 heavy-duty bombs:

Boeing delivers first batch of 30,000-pound bombs to Air Force

Aerospace giant Boeing Co. has delivered the first batch of 30,000-pound bombs, each nearly five tons heavier than anything else in the military's arsenal, to the U.S. Air Force to pulverize underground enemy hide-outs.

At a total cost of about $314 million, the military has developed and ordered 20 of the GPS-guided bombs, called Massive Ordnance Penetrators.

As a result, many outlets "corrected" their stories to reflect a unit cost of $16 million.

But the bombs discussed in the story's early paragraphs weren't MOABs, as a later paragraph in that same story indicated:

The weapon's explosive power is 10 times greater than its bunker-buster predecessor, the BLU-109. And it is nearly five tons heavier than the 22,600-pound GBU-43 MOAB surface bomb, sometimes called the "mother of all bombs."

Surprise. A "Massive Ordinance Penetrator," designed to be a bunker-buster exploding on impact, is not the same as the MOAB, which explodes above the ground.

So what is the real cost of the MOAB? According to a report carried at Business Insider, based on a discussion with an Air Force official, it's — well, just read on:

The US's Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb does not cost $314 million, or $16 million, but $170,000 a unit, the US Air Force told Business Insider on Friday.

The weapon, whose acronym inspired the nickname "Mother of All Bombs," was produced by the Air Force, not by a third party like Lockheed or Boeing, "so we don't have a standard procurement cost associated with them," an Air Force official said.

The $170,000 figure makes sense considering a general-purpose 1,000-pound MK-83 costs about $12,000. The MOAB simply features more high explosives and larger fins to direct the GPS-guided munition.

Many outlets, including The New York Times and Business Insider, inaccurately stated the cost of the MOAB as being in the millions. Business Insider's article has since been corrected to reflect this information.

By contrast, the claims at the New York Times that the MOAB itself cost $16 million and that development costs were "more than $300 million" had not been corrected as of 4 p.m. Eastern Time on Sunday.

It should be obvious that the actual $170,000 cost wouldn't make anything resembling a dent in the federal government's multibillion-dollar social programs, or its research, healthcare, or education the leftist tweeters above cited. It would only fund 0.08 percent of the year-ago estimated $216 million cost of fixing Flint, Michigan's water system.

But what about that $300 million in development costs? Assuming that the figure is even valid — I could not find any evidence that it is — shouldn't those costs be included? Absolutely not.

The video seen at the Times story reveals something quite important that "strangely" (no, not really) didn't make it into the Cooper's and Mashal's print story:

The Air Force developed the MOAB in 2002 and 2003 as part of the Iraq War's shock-and-awe strategy. It produced 14 of these bombs, two of which were shipped to the Persian Gulf. But by the time they arrived, officials decided they no longer needed to deploy such massive force.

So if $300 million was really spent to develop the MOAB — separate from the cost of the materials, labor, factory overhead and explosives involved in production — it took place 14-15 years ago. Deciding not to use the MOAB last week wouldn't have gotten any of that money back to spend in other areas.

Beyond that, the fact that the MOAB was developed as part of shock-and-awe would seem to indicate that the $300 million (again, if that's even a valid number) was spread over several weapons development efforts. If so, it would be incorrect to assign the entire cost to MOAB.

There were other marginal costs involved in the mission beyond the $170,000 the Air Force cited, but they would seem to be small. The troops are already deployed, so there would be no additional personnel, infrastructure or logistics costs, leaving only the fuel it took to conduct the mission and the wear and tear on the plane involved (or planes/jets, if the cargo plane with the MOAB had an escort).

Increasing the Air Force's cited cost to $300,000 for these factors would seem to be a stretch. But if we use that figure, it means that the press initially overstated the attack's total cost, first by a factor of over 1,000 (over $300 million divided by $300,000). Then in many (but not all) cases, it "corrected" the overstatement to over 50 times actual ($16 million divided by $300,000). Finally some (but far from all) outlets are coming around to the Air Force's figure — or doing their level best to pretend they never reported a cost figure in the first place. As to the New York Times, its errors stand uncorrected.

In light of embarrassments like this, it would be nice if we could once and for all be spared all of the tired lectures about "fake news."

It won't happen.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/04/16/media-and-left-create-laughably-wrong-moab-cost-calamity

[Synopsis]

Thank You, RV ME, for debunking the Fake News regarding our MOAB!!!

Go Moola Nova!

[Whatshername]