Jubouri is the secession of Kurdistan, "the paper threat" required to resolve differences and obligations before it happens

[yota691]

A delegation from the Kurdistan Region to visit Baghdad, carrying with him a file of Independence

By Roudao 15 minutes ago

Note Kurdistan and Erbil

Roudao- Arbil 

is scheduled to head a delegation from the Kurdistan region will include representatives of political parties, to the Iraqi capital Baghdad soon, to discuss formally on independence. 

A member of the political bureau of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Sadi Ahmed beer network Roudao media, said the visit was decided in the last meeting between the Union and the Democratic Party , adding that " the delegation is composed of representatives of the parties in the government and representatives of the Turkmen and Alcald and Assyrians." 

For his part, spokesman of the Political Bureau of the Democratic Party of Kurdistan, Mahmoud Mohammed, the network Roudao media: "We have a dialogue on how the future management of this country, we have not been able to live together through the autonomy nor the federal government, what will be the situation now." 

"The best option is to be independent and the two governments are good neighbors, and this delegation will visit Baghdad to talk about the cause of independence." 

After my visit Kordstann Region President Massoud Barzani, the head of the territorial Government, Nechirvan Barzani, the last two to Baghdad, independence at the top of the dialogue between the two sides became official agenda file.

[yota691]

Massoud Barzani: the independence of the Kurdistan Region is not a dream but reality

 

 

Saturday, January 21, 2017 - 13:33 GMT | Posted Number: 22 626

President of the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani, said that the province's independence is not, as some imagine that a dream or a rumor it is a fact and we are working to achieve this.

Barzani said in an interview conducted with him and the Washington Post, he said that since the start of the Kurdish revolution was the goal of the Kurds and the first concern is the independence of Kurdistan, and the achievement of this goal, the Revolution had reached its goal.

Barzani described the support that the United States has provided to the Kurdistan Region in the war against Daesh as "important," especially in the military and political spheres.

Barzani pointed to the participation of the Peshmerga forces at the beginning of the start of liberalization of Mosul operations that was to pave the way for Iraqi forces to advance towards their goals.

[jcfrag]

I say cut em loose and let that little arrogant cuss go do his own thing. They keep threatening to leave Iraq every time they don't get their way. They are not good neighbors, but a royal pain in the ass when it comes to negotiating an HCL.... oh wait, they still have not made any commitments to Iraq. Abadi should just tell them they are out and just walk away. Forget this good neighbor crap.... 

Even more odd, look at him wearing a suit in place of his little army coat. He is trying to look like a man in charge... didn't he just resign???   He is a mess....

Edited January 21, 2017 by jcfrag

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

They repeatedly called for recognition.  GOI dissed 'em... thanks, evil maliki.

 

By the time they got a voice (which they had to fight like hell to even get !) at the GOI table,

they realized they were going to be taken advantage of....

They spoke out :  not fair to give so much to get so little of an overall combined National share...

They stood their ground and were unjustly labeled as "difficult" and "greedy"....

 

They fought bravely & fiercely alongside Iraqi troops.

They even went after the evil da'esh alone when Iraqi soldiers were dropping their weapons and running.

 

They carried that fight on without the aid of The US (thanks for nothin' ho'bummer...)

 

Now that there is a New REAL US President, who is NOT on the side of the terrorists,

 perhaps they see autonomy with a US ally they can actually count on and trust, as a boon.

 

Barzani is no dope.  He and his fellow Kurds have seen the slow creep of IRAN into Iraq.

They do NOT want any part of that.

So Iraq meets them 1/2 way and they'll stand with Iraq against the eventual take-over by the GLOBALIST-BACKED Iran,

or they break loose and hope The US will stand by The Kurds when the Iranians come calling at their border.

 

.

[gregp]

8 minutes ago, SgtFuryUSCZ said:

They repeatedly called for recognition.  GOI dissed 'em... thanks, evil maliki.

 

By the time they got a voice (which they had to fight like hell to even get !) at the GOI table,

they realized they were going to be taken advantage of....

They spoke out :  not fair to give so much to get so little of an overall combined National share...

They stood their ground and were unjustly labeled as "difficult" and "greedy"....

 

They fought bravely & fiercely alongside Iraqi troops.

They even went after the evil da'esh alone when Iraqi soldiers were dropping their weapons and running.

 

They carried that fight on without the aid of The US (thanks for nothin' ho'bummer...)

 

Now that there is a New REAL US President, who is NOT on the side of the terrorists,

 perhaps they see autonomy with a US ally they can actually count on and trust, as a boon.

 

Barzani is no dope.  He and his fellow Kurds have seen the slow creep of IRAN into Iraq.

They do NOT want any part of that.

So Iraq meets them 1/2 way and they'll stand with Iraq against the eventual take-over by the GLOBALIST-BACKED Iran,

or they break loose and hope The US will stand by The Kurds when the Iranians come calling at their border.

 

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Agreed. Elections are approaching and Maliki still in there.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

And you know The Kurds cannot abide by that hater -- especially since he is an operative for evil .

Even if Iraq is still allowing him to breath, The Warrior Kurds can't abide the evil scum.

[jcfrag]

Apparently Maliki is not the issue here at all. But truly I have no clear understanding of how all of the providences work with Baghdad, or more importantly, how Baghdad works with the other providences. But what ever Baghdad is doing for the other providences they should do for  the Kurds....  But Baghdad would do that knowing full well that the Kurds would start holding out on them like they do every time. Or maybe I don't understand that one either.... 

[gregp]

2 minutes ago, jcfrag said:

Apparently Maliki is not the issue here at all. But truly I have no clear understanding of how all of the providences work with Baghdad, or more importantly, how Baghdad works with the other providences. But what ever Baghdad is doing for the other providences they should do for  the Kurds....  But Baghdad would do that knowing full well that the Kurds would start holding out on them like they do every time. Or maybe I don't understand that one either.... 

It's a mess. Both sides are corrupt. They have both held out. I say let them go and be friends. 

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

JC... say you have an oatmeal cookie...

and someone else has a chocolate chip cookie...

You'd each like a taste of the other's cookie...

that someone else wants 1/2 your cookie, but is only willing to give you 1/4 of his cookie...

and says it's because your smaller and he's bigger.

not fair.

Edited January 21, 2017 by SgtFuryUSCZ

[magawatt]

If I have a cookie that weighs 12 ounces and wish to trade with someone who has a 6 ounce cookie I might offer 3 ounces of my cookie and demand  3 ounces of the  other's cookie in return. That I'm offering 25% of my cookie for 50% of his cookie is irrelevant because we each have the same amount of  cookie as before.

.....and tbey said tbe Arabs invented algebra.

Edited January 21, 2017 by magawatt

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

They're all like a bunch of Bedouin camel traders haggling in a suq over a rug....

It's in their blood, they can't help themselves.

But The Kurds have more to lose if / when Iraq loses it all to IRAN for their evil globalist pals.

The Kurds don't play like that.

We don't watch our step, The Kurds will climb into bed with Putin...

 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

First thing Donald Trump did as POTUS was send his own delegation to Baghdad. First thing the Senate did after the Trumpnado was inaugurated was to approve Mad Dog as Sec Def.

Do ya'll really think that anything or anyone is going to stop this now?    

[Hikmah]

1 hour ago, gregp said:

It's a mess. Both sides are corrupt. They have both held out. I say let them go and be friends. 

I agree, they're both corrupt. Barzani's term as President of Kurdistan ended over two years ago but he won't give up power until there's "stability." And by now, we all know that the Kurd's and Baghdad cannot work together, it's impossible. The Kurd's most powerful member of the cabinet, Zebari, was run out of town on trumped up corruption charges, no one gets a seat at the table of power unless you're a Shia. Democracy isn't working in Iraq, they just can't find a way to cooperate. 

[ChuckFinley]

If not one thing it is another. Let's get the HCL done and then they can fight about separation.    

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

mutual combat with the RV in the middle.... sigh...

anybody else here feelin' like a red-headed step-chile...?

[yota691]

A delegation from the Kurdistan region to visit Baghdad, carrying with him a file of Independence

History of edits:: 01.21.2017 16:20 • 147 visits readable

{Baghdad} Euphrates News plans a delegation from the Kurdistan region will include representatives of political parties, to Baghdad soon to discuss formally on independence.

A member of the political bureau of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan ( PUK ) , Sadi Ahmed beer, in a press statement, said that the visit was decided in the last meeting between the Union and the Democratic Party , adding that " the delegation is composed of representatives of the parties participating in the government and representatives of the Turkmen and ChaldoAssyrians." 
For his part, spokesman of the Political Bureau of the Democratic Party of Kurdistan, Mahmoud Mohammed, "must be a dialogue on how the future management of this country, we have not been able to live together through the autonomy nor the federal government, what will be the situation now." 
"The best option is to be independent and the two governments are good neighbors, and this delegation will visit Baghdad to talk about the cause of independence." 
After my visit with President of Kurdistan , Massoud Barzani, the head of the territorial Government, Nechirvan Barzani, the last two to Baghdad, it became independence at the top of the dialogue between Ganpin.anthy officials agenda file

[yota691]

Kurds may be corrupt, probably are. They been trying to keep up with payroll for the fighters and supplies etc. Brazani has pulled money out of his own pocket for the displaced and provide aid for many and still does today. As far elections goes, they don't have the monies for that. As far the Independence goes  it not like they packing a bag an moving. They don't have a Central Bank, they don't have any reserve but what is in the ground. Guess what I'm saying they doing what that have to do make ends meet and fight a war at the same time. The issue I see mainly with the overall from reading the articles is Transparency on oil, I don't think payroll or salaries as they say it are that big of a deal and feel that issue is pretty much resolves with the optical system they are using....

[KDuesing]

Im usually for the Kurds but all this is setting up is another dictatorship with the leaders keeping all the oil money all over again.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

14 minutes ago, yota691 said:

Kurds may be corrupt, probably are. They been trying to keep up with payroll for the fighters and supplies etc. Brazani has pulled money out of his own pocket for the displaced and provide aid for many and still does today. As far elections goes, they don't have the monies for that. As far the Independence goes  it not like they packing a bag an moving. They don't have a Central Bank, they don't have any reserve but what is in the ground. Guess what I'm saying they doing what that have to do make ends meet and fight a war at the same time. The issue I see mainly with the overall from reading the articles is Transparency on oil, I don't think payroll or salaries as they say it are that big of a deal and feel that issue is pretty much resolves with the optical system they are using....

Bravo, YerYOTAness !  Excellent post ! 

[Lorre]

http://www.kurdishglobe.net/Default.aspx?page=article&id=30849&l=1

[Lorre]

Kurdish president: Independent Kurdistan is ‘neither a rumor nor a dream’
 

If the ongoing battle to liberate Mosul, once Iraq’s second-largest city, from the Islamic State succeeds, it will be an important turning point in the war against the fundamentalist movement, also called ISIL. One of the key players in this battle is the leader of the autonomous Kurdistan region of northern Iraq, Masoud Barzani, whose peshmerga troops are fighting alongside Iraqi forces. Barzani spoke to The Washington Post’s Lally Weymouth in Davos, Switzerland, this past week at the World Economic Forum. Edited excerpts follow.
Q. What would you like from the new Trump administration in Washington?
A. As far as Kurdistan, I expect that they will continue supporting us.
 
Q. Do you mean by giving your troops heavy weapons? What kind of support do you envision?
A. Both military and political support.
Q. What kind of military support?
A. Whatever a military fighter on the front line needs, in addition to training and capacity-building. So far, tanks and artillery have not been provided, but we really need them.
Q. Right now you have U.S. air support and air strikes.
A. Yes, good air support and air cover, which has been very helpful.
Q. And training.
A. Yes, that is true.
Q. And intelligence cooperation.
A. Intelligence cooperation is continuing between our agencies and the U.S.
 
Q. How long is it going to take to liberate Mosul?
A. The first 100-kilometer-long defensive lines of ISIL were attacked by peshmerga forces in October of last year. . . . Then the Iraqi troops moved toward Mosul. The Iraqi army did a good job: It is a tough fight; it is bloody. . . . In a few days, the eastern part will be finished. But what remains will be the western part of the city. . . . It is difficult to estimate when the mission will be over, but militarily, ISIL is becoming weaker.
Q. The city of Mosul is largely inhabited by Sunnis?
A. Yes, right now those who are in Mosul are Sunnis.
Q. Experts worry about the fate of those Sunni Iraqis and whether Shia militias will go after them if and when the city is liberated.
A. The agreement is that the Shia militants will not go into the city. So far they have not gone into the city. The Iraqi army and the federal police are there.
Q. If Mosul falls, is that the end of ISIL in Iraq?
A. It is an illusion if there are people who think the fall of Mosul means the end of ISIL. We saw ISIL become the replacement of al-Qaeda. Some organization will come to replace ISIL. ISIL itself will resort to other techniques: clandestine operations, terrorist operations.
Q. President-elect Trump has said he is going to crush ISIL. How do you see him?
A. I can say that we are ready to cooperate with him and work with him in order to crush ISIL. It is not an easy task, but we will be with him to achieve this mission.
Q. Is it possible?
A. It is not only a military war. It is about the ideology. It is about social and economic and cultural aspects. It is a multifaceted war, and it needs a collective effort with American leadership.
Q. Do you welcome the election of Donald Trump? Do you see him as a strong U.S. leader?
A. We wish him success. Certainly this is the will of the American people. It is their business.
Q. Do you want a continuing U.S. military presence in Kurdistan?
A. We welcome that because that would assist us in order not to allow terrorism to grow.
 
Q. Are you worried that once Mosul falls, the U.S. will withdraw?
A. I hope that the United States will not repeat that mistake. I told the military commanders who were on the ground in 2010 and 2011 that if the U.S. forces withdrew from Iraq, it would give an opportunity for terrorism to grow. . . . Had a limited number of American troops stayed, ISIL would not have been able to take over Ramadi or Mosul.
Q. How strong is Iran in Kurdistan?
A. Iran has relations with the Kurdistan Regional Government, with the political parties in and outside the government.
Q. Will Iran be left with a lot of influence in Iraq?
A. It is the reality. Iran [already] has more influence than anybody in Iraq.
Q. Was that the result of the U.S.-led war to overthrow Saddam Hussein?
A. Unfortunately, many mistakes were made. In fact, sometimes people argue in the United States that the decision to go to war in Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein’s regime from power was the wrong decision. No, in fact, it was the best and most humanitarian decision. But two mistakes complicated the invasion of Iraq. First, the U.S.-led coalition did not allow the outcome of the London conference of December 2002, when the then-opposition had agreed on the way to lead the country. Then American forces turned themselves from a liberation force to an occupation force.
Q. You have been working quite closely with Turkey and exporting oil through Turkey?
A. Yes, that is true, and we still will.
Q. The central government of Iraq does not like this.
A. It’s not right for Baghdad to complain and criticize when Baghdad decided unlawfully and unconstitutionally to cut our budget. This is when we decided to export our oil. Before they cut our budget, we had not exported any oil to Turkey.
Q. Since Turkey is bombing the Syrian Kurds, does this put you in an awkward position?
A. No, the two issues are not related.
Q. There are rumors that your dream is to have an independent Kurdistan, an independent Kurdish state. Will you declare independence?
A. It is neither a rumor nor a dream. It is a reality that will come true. We will do everything in order to accomplish this objective, but peacefully and without violence.
Q. How long will that take?
A. We will do our best to achieve that objective as early as possible. Because the time has come. Now is the time for practical steps. There are around 6 million Kurds living in what we call “Kurdistan,” not “northern Iraq.” I was just a high school student when the Kurdish revolution started in 1961.
Q. And your father, Mustafa Barzani, was one of the most famous Kurdish leaders?
A. He was leading the Kurdish liberation movement. I joined the peshmerga forces when I was 16 years old. From then until now I have been a peshmerga. There are no villages or mountains or valleys I have not gone through. All my efforts from Day One have been to establish a Kurdish state. The day it is declared, I will not be interested in any [political] position because that goal will have been achieved.
 
Q. How do you see the situation in Syria with ISIL?
A. It is not clear who is a friend and who is a foe. The international coalition is not united in Syria. The opposition is not united. It is so confusing that I personally do not understand what is going on. What seems clear is there may be a deal between Washington and Moscow.
Q. What do you think of the Russian role, which seems to be so strong in the Middle East?
A. Russia knew how to play its hand, it knew what it wanted and was very clear from the outset what to do in Syria. It had a clear understanding, a clear vision. They had their own interests and objectives.
Q. It wanted to dominate the area?
A. I don’t think they wanted to dominate all of Syria but part of Syria that was of interest to them. And they very successfully defended and protected it.
Q. Do you feel the U.S. should have been stronger?
A. I believe the American position on Syria was not clear, and it was not strong.
Q. Did that send a signal to the Russians?
A. Of course.

 

 
 

Edited January 21, 2017 by Lorre

[KDuesing]

That about says it all imop.

[Lorre]

38 minutes ago, yota691 said:

Kurds may be corrupt, probably are. They been trying to keep up with payroll for the fighters and supplies etc. Brazani has pulled money out of his own pocket for the displaced and provide aid for many and still does today. As far elections goes, they don't have the monies for that. As far the Independence goes  it not like they packing a bag an moving. They don't have a Central Bank, they don't have any reserve but what is in the ground. Guess what I'm saying they doing what that have to do make ends meet and fight a war at the same time. The issue I see mainly with the overall from reading the articles is Transparency on oil, I don't think payroll or salaries as they say it are that big of a deal and feel that issue is pretty much resolves with the optical system they are using....

Agreed. However, I think if we can see this succession more like a state, such as Texas or any other state is for us, this would make more sense. Govern themselves independently, but part of a whole. Texas is a great oil producing state that is a big part of the economy. I pray this is what they are trying to accomplish. Not a complete division.

Just an example an mho...

Edited January 21, 2017 by Lorre

[Golfnsr]

The Kurdish have always been screwed over and in my thinking deserve their independence.

[davis411]

1 minute ago, Golfnsr said:

The Kurdish have always been screwed over and in my thinking deserve their independence.

i feel like davis is always screwed over waiting for them to get along

and rv

blah blah blah

i personnally think they are waiting for me to sell out, like the stock market does

then bammmmmm

they will rv within seconds 

i know they want to screw me again