Let's Assume Trump Is Shrewd and Disciplined

[pattyangel]

1 hour ago, Jaxinjersey said:

To oversimplify the challenge of the status quot, and ever-growing power and corruption within the political climate... the citizenry has to relinquish its default "faith" in "politicians"... that they are somehow magically smarter than anyone else.  They are just people.  They need to serve... then go home.  They do not deserve multiple elections, or appointments.  We need term limits.  We need disruptions.  This is the power and the message of the Trump candidacy.  He is a disruptor.  The country needs this disruption of the arrogant, entitled political class establishment... even for just one term.  I vote... disruptor.  I count on it... to establish the new normal in politics... Mr. Smith goes to Washington... and then goes home!!! (with apologies to the beloved James Stewart!).

We need to get out from under this progressive/ looter oppression.  If Trump is just a slight step in moving forward making America great, then he is Hope for America. 

These are our candidates to choose from, I will choose one, but will not, not vote.  Remember we are not perfect, we are all sinners, but we pray for wisdom to guide us. 

I feel Hillarious is not our solution to get America back on track.  We have a civil duty, we have a Christian duty, we can perform in both!!!! 

[divemaster5734]

3 hours ago, Jaxinjersey said:

To oversimplify the challenge of the status quot, and ever-growing power and corruption within the political climate... the citizenry has to relinquish its default "faith" in "politicians"... that they are somehow magically smarter than anyone else.  They are just people.  They need to serve... then go home.  They do not deserve multiple elections, or appointments.  We need term limits.  We need disruptions.  This is the power and the message of the Trump candidacy.  He is a disruptor.  The country needs this disruption of the arrogant, entitled political class establishment... even for just one term.  I vote... disruptor.  I count on it... to establish the new normal in politics... Mr. Smith goes to Washington... and then goes home!!! (with apologies to the beloved James Stewart!).

Hey Jax, good to see ya!

Hope all has been going well.

As always, you are spot on.

I am also counting on Trump inspiring others to stand up against the tyranny that is destroying global humanity...DM

 

 

 

 

 

[divemaster5734]

1 hour ago, pattyangel said:

We need to get out from under this progressive/ looter oppression.  If Trump is just a slight step in moving forward making America great, then he is Hope for America. 

These are our candidates to choose from, I will choose one, but will not, not vote.  Remember we are not perfect, we are all sinners, but we pray for wisdom to guide us. 

I feel Hillarious is not our solution to get America back on track.  We have a civil duty, we have a Christian duty, we can perform in both!!!! 

Hello Patty, please say hello to your solder boy, and send him a thanks for his service from me.

Once again, your solid common sense leaves no room for debate.

[Jaxinjersey]

1 minute ago, divemaster5734 said:

Hey Jax, good to see ya!

Hope all has been going well.

As always, you are spot on.

I am also counting on Trump inspiring others to stand up against the tyranny that is destroying global humanity...DM

 

 

 

 

 

Hey DM... I'm doing well, thanks!  Just staying on the philosophical fringe, while enjoying you, Jim, George and RV ME supplying those pesky nitty gritty details of clarity for the cause! Oh... and of course, the unparalleled wit and clarity of that WHN chick!!!   Carry on Patriots!  

[Sentinel7]

On 8/20/2016 at 10:10 AM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I could say the same thing about everyone that didn't support Ted Cruz.

 

There are a couple hundred million working Americans that understand this, and have declared support for Trump.

As there are only some 330 million people in the U.S. then it is a certainty that Trump will win and doesn't

truly need my support.  

 

You are right Trump doesn’t need your support he will win regardless of your efforts.
God also doesn’t need your support he will win regardless of efforts.
The revival that is coming after Trump takes office doesn’t need your support it will happen regardless of your efforts.

What is going to happen you will stand before GOD one day and he will ask you why when I sent you a champion all you could do is sulk because your man didn’t win.

You need to go back and watch every thing you can find on Cruz he is not and has never been a Christian. He is and always will be a consummate politician he will do and say anything to win your vote.
Look past his words look into his eyes look into his soul what you see will not be GOD.

Do you really believe that Trump would have gotten the evangelical vote being the evil person you believe him to be? 
How about Ben Carson or all the pastors that laid hands on and prayed for him.
Newt Gingrich who wrote a book about needing to get GOD back in politics.
Paula White his spiritual adviser.
 Maybe just maybe you need to have a little faith that GOD has heard our prayers and has not given up on us just yet.
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?
 Sodom is next mentioned in chapter 18 of Genesis, when Abraham received three angelic visitors. Abraham hosted them, and afterwards they headed towards Sodom. God decided to tell Abraham his plans, which were to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Abraham, in a breathtaking display of daring, argued with God. Abraham took the position that it would be unjust for God to destroy the cities, since there might be a number of righteous people among the wicked. Abraham and God agreed that the cities would be spared if 10 righteous people could be found in them. As it turned out, the only ones worth saving were Lot, his wife and their two daughters.

                                                                   No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

 

[divemaster5734]

1 hour ago, Sentinel7 said:

You are right Trump doesn’t need your support he will win regardless of your efforts.
God also doesn’t need your support he will win regardless of efforts.
The revival that is coming after Trump takes office doesn’t need your support it will happen regardless of your efforts.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth, I didn't post it waiting for someone else to.

You are among the more steadfast here, I'm not alone in appreciating the wisdom you offer.

Via Con Dios, my brother. 

[skeetdog]

.....There are extreme differences of opinions on how people express their perspective of life's values in this debate...I was not forced to read anyone's comment as I've read them all...each having merit within its own conception of thought or belief...What seems apparent to me may be an insult to another...Human nature has a way of showing the intent of each individual's mind set and each mind set has its defining traits that can't be denied...A defining mental thought process is a determining factor of the traits we possess and express outwardly towards others in our beliefs and convictions...The problem is the different mindsets involved and the comprehension between the sheep, the wolf and the sheepdog ideology involved....

[RV ME]

19 hours ago, divemaster5734 said:

Cruz was #2 for me, Carson was #1.

My comments in the POTUS thread about Trump were not very flattering when he announced.

Unfortunately for me, I am cursed with an insatiable need to understand agenda, so I started researching Trump with the intent of proving him unqualified.

The problem was, the more I fact checked, the more I began to appreciate who he really was.

Honestly, there are a few issues that scare me, he is nowhere near perfect, but America rejected the candidate that was closer to perfect, because America just isnt ready for the ideal constitutional POTUS, otherwise Ben Carson would be writing his inauguration speech right now.  

The problem with the "righties" that support clinton is in our society it has become acceptable to assault, destroy others property, and do whatever you want, as long as you can convince everyone you "believe" in your immature and criminal justification.

Finally, the never Trumpers have found an excuse to jump on that bandwagon, and spend their days quaking in righteous indignation.

How long, I wonder, before they finally admit it is a road to nowhere?

 

Gave up the game to vote, well done RV, I hope they won anyway.

Knew I couldn’t make the game after standing in line so long, but thought about making the 1 ½ hour trip for the festivities anyway.  Game was against Iowa St so wasn’t expecting much of a game, but it was Senior Day, the final home game.  Seniors in the band (and the Jayhawk mascots) wearing formal tux’s and introduced during halftime and senior players giving a speech after the game which always become emotional.  Was also the final home game for longtime radio announcer Bob Davis, who was honored at halftime for his 32 seasons behind the mic for all KU football and basketball games.  Hated to miss it, but happily did (well begrudgingly did) in order to make my voice officially heard

[Whatshername]

On August 21, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Jaxinjersey said:

Hey DM... I'm doing well, thanks!  Just staying on the philosophical fringe, while enjoying you, Jim, George and RV ME supplying those pesky nitty gritty details of clarity for the cause! Oh... and of course, the unparalleled wit and clarity of that WHN chick!!!   Carry on Patriots!  

Thank you Jax  I hope Hayduke sees that... he thinks I'm a Battle Ax!  

 

[Muleslayer]

1 hour ago, Whatshername said:

Thank you Jax  I hope Hayduke sees that... he thinks I'm a Battle Ax!  

 

Nope no battle axe!

amazing similarity to the headsman's axe though. 

[divemaster5734]

13 hours ago, Whatshername said:

 I'm a Battle Ax!  

 

Battle Axe?

[skeetdog]

....I want a Battle Axe...Can I have a Battle Axe....Battle Axes are Good....Oooou please can I have a Battle Axe....    

[SnowGlobe7]

2 hours ago, skeetdog said:

....I want a Battle Axe...Can I have a Battle Axe....Battle Axes are Good....Oooou please can I have a Battle Axe....    

be careful what ya ask for!!!!

[Whatshername]

1 hour ago, SnowGlobe7 said:

be careful what ya ask for!!!!

   

[skeetdog]

....Damn the Luck....

[divemaster5734]

13 hours ago, skeetdog said:

....I want a Battle Axe...Can I have a Battle Axe....Battle Axes are Good....Oooou please can I have a Battle Axe....    

 

9 hours ago, skeetdog said:

....Damn the Luck....

You said it bro, never can tell what you will end up with..

Daddy!!!!....roflmao

[jg1]

I will take a insult over a thief taking from my family any day.    

[skeetdog]

.......    .....

[yota691]

If You’re On the Fence About Your Vote, This Pastor Clarifies How the Very Future of America Is At Stake

By Ray Gano -

 

August 20, 2016

 

By Pastor Jim Garlow

I have been asked “the question” so many times regarding Trump or Hillarious. By way of background, I have followed every national convention—Republican and Democrat—from the time I was age 9, and have attended most of the GOP Conventions from 1984 to the present. I have watched the news virtually every day from the age of 8. I have never seen anything like what we are observing.

In spite of the unprecedented nature of this election cycle, I will attempt to respond to “the question.” I am not demanding that anyone else share my view. But I was asked. Here is my best attempt to answer as I am able to see things at this time:

Order Jim Garlow’s latest book – Well Versed – Biblical Answers To Today’s Tough Questions.

1.   The Democratic and Republican party platforms are as different as night and day, in my opinion, as far apart as evil vs. good. The 51-page Democratic platform is the most leftist ever. (I don’t care for the “right vs. left” nomenclature. I am far more concerned with “right vs. wrong.”) The Democratic platform contains many points which are anti-biblical. (Time does not permit me here to identify what is meant by “anti-biblical,” which is covered in my new book Well Versed: Biblical Answers to Today’s Tough Issues.) It is thoroughly socialistic (a socialist is a communist without a gun). The 54-page GOP platform is one of the strongest GOP platforms ever. A biblically alert person could be comfortable with almost all of it. Party platforms are a big issue to me. Although some “blow off” party platforms, I do not. Nor do many people up and down the ballot who are running for office. This is a serious and very important item. I have a hard copy of both platforms in front of me now. Most people have never checked out what the party platforms say. They should. If a person is not drawn to the “top-of-the-ballot” candidate, they ought to at least consider voting for the candidate attached to the best party platform.

2.   Analogy #1: Both candidates are flawed. We all know that. But permit me an analogy: As a pastor, I would rather deal with a church attendee who is blatant and brash in his sinning than one who is devious, lying, cunning and deceptive. Both are problematic, but one is easier to deal with than the other. If I were a pastor bringing correction to a parishioner, I would prefer dealing with a “Trump-type” any day over a “Hillarious-type.” The chances of making progress with the “Trump-type” are many times greater than the “Hillarious-type.”

3.   Analogy #2: When my (late) wife’s remarkable and much loved oncologist said, “Don’t take Carol to that alternative (non FDA approved) treatment.” I asked, “Why not?” He said, “The unknown.” I said, “Doctor, your ‘known’ is much worse than the alternative treatment’s ‘unknown.'” I took her to that alternative treatment. One year later that same oncologist went to the alternative treatment doctor to see how it was that Carol had improved so much. While this alternative treatment did not ultimately save her life, it likely stretched two to three years of life to six years of life—by the admission of another one of her brilliant young oncologists who later said, “Without any medical training or scientific fact, you have put together a protocol of treatment that has moved her into the top fraction of 1 percent of survival rates of all patients with Carol’s particular cancer. Application of the analogy: Hillarious’s “known” is considerably worse—many times over—than Trump’s “unknown.”

4.   Trump has lots of sins in his past (actually, we all do), and—in the present—says things he should not say. I make no attempt to defend any of the things he has said. There is no need to rehearse the wrong things he has said. We know what they are. He should not have thought or said them. But there is no need to rehash them here. So we won’t. But let’s turn to the other candidate. Although America has had some scandal-ridden candidates in its history, we have never seen any one major party candidate more constantly scandalous as Hillarious (along with her husband). She seems to exceed all previous boundaries for wrongdoing. The scandals just don’t stop. In the same way we did not take time to list all of Trump’s misstatements, neither will we here rehash the seemingly continuous string of horrific scandals of the Clintons.

5.   Trump is slowly being surrounded by increasingly good people. From time to time, I receive encouraging calls regarding this. Can these good people impact Trump? We will see. In contrast, I see no reason for any encouragement regarding the people who surround Hillarious.

6.   Trump is right on approximately 75 percent of the issues. I wish it was 100 percent. It is not. I am in hopes that those beginning to surround him can help him connect the dots on more issues. Hillarious is wrong on 100 percent of the issues.

 

7.   This next issue might be one of the most important, but I suspect few will understand its significance. Trump opposes globalism. Hillarious thrives on it. Globalism is far more than “geographical” or “eliminating national borders and boundaries.” It is spiritual and demonic at its core. Few—very few—understand this. This is quite likely one of the main reasons why Trump is hated. Do your homework on this one. Think “principalities and powers.” Serious. Extremely serious.

8.   Not voting is not a viable option, contrary to what the “purists” claim. It is not my intention to begin a war of the issue. I know that some radically disagree with this. My view? They have the right to be wrong.

9.   Voting for a third party candidate is—regardless of what is said—a complete “throw-away.” No third party candidate will be elected, or even come remotely close to being elected. And yes, that matters to me. And for the record, the Libertarian ticket—Johnson and Weld—is nearly as bad on many issues as Hillarious. When I listen to them, I am stunned people of their ability have ever made it to elective office.

10.   Trump has moved pro-life. Hillarious is pro-baby killing, and prides herself on that, and honors the organization—Planned Parenthood—that actually traffics human parts from dead babies whom they have killed. This is below anything we have seen since Nazi Germany. The gall of Hillarious! The Clintons have evaded justice for decades and likely will continue to. But they will someday stand before the Great White Throne. They will have to give account of their support of the ripping babies to shreds in the womb. For the record, those who vote for those who support the genocide of pre-borns will also have to give an account.

11.   Trump wants to defend the nation (which is the purpose of government). Hillarious has a horrific track record as Secretary of State, and due to hundreds of millions of dollars given to her and her husband’s foundation, she is beholden to those who want us dead.

 

12.   Hillarious claims “everything is fine” in America. This defies every single fact, but facts have never been an interest of Hillarious’s. Trump understands that it is 11:59 p.m. on the “cultural clock.” America is near the end—morally, economically, militarily and, sadly, spiritually. There are very clear identifiable indicators—measurable ones—that America is no longer the world’s leading power. That day is over. Hillarious will hasten the final destruction. Trump could either slow that down—or possibly, with God’s help—reverse it. Maybe.

13.   Trump will address the massive government spending. Hillarious will expand it above the existing unsustainable debt the U.S. currently is carrying (almost $20 trillion plus unfunded liabilities to Social Security, etc).

14.   Trump will expose—and I pray, bring down—”the systemic evil” (crony, deceitful, misuse of capitalism) that reigns among many high-dollar lobbyists. Hillarious thrives because of them.

15.   Trump will stop the massive overreach of government. Hillarious will extend it.

16.   Freedoms come in “threes.” Political freedom, economic freedom and religious liberty coexist together. Take one away and the other two will eventually disappear. One cannot exist without the other two. The genius of America is that it had all three, until recently. Trump fully grasps the loss of religious liberty. I have heard him speak on it in person on several occasions. He knows that economic and political freedoms are evaporating. He will reverse that. Hillarious will decimate all three.

17.   Every rational person knows the Supreme Court appointments are paramount. Trump has listed 11 superb potential nominees. Hillarious’s appointments would snuff out the tiny vestige of the three freedoms that are left (mentioned in the statement above).

18.   I make no excuse for wrongdoing or wrongful, hurtful words from either candidate. Candidly, I want King Jesus. He rules in my heart. And yours too, I suspect. And I want Him to rule here—now. But that day is not fully manifested—yet. In the meantime, we prayerfully, carefully navigate this challenging election season, with great concern that above all, we honor our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in every arena of our lives, including the voting booth. That is my hope. I believe it is yours as well.

About The Author

Dr. Jim Garlow is pastor of Skyline Church in San Diego. He is also co-founder of The Jefferson Gathering, a weekly worship service for members of Congress at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

[Whatshername]

19 hours ago, jg1 said:

I will take a insult over a thief taking from my family any day.    

Lol!  If that's meant for me Jg, fear not!  I wasn't insulted at all.  Actually, Snow nailed it by definition... Hildabeast really is a Battle Ax!  I'm more of a 'Pistol' (if we're assigning weapons to fit our personalities).  

[Shabibilicious]

12 minutes ago, Whatshername said:

Lol!  If that's meant for me Jg, fear not!  I wasn't insulted at all.  Actually, Snow nailed it by definition... Hildabeast really is a Battle Ax!  I'm more of a 'Pistol' (if we're assigning weapons to fit our personalities).  

Sid or Nancy?  

GO RV, then BV

[Whatshername]

18 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Sid or Nancy?  

GO RV, then BV

I was thinking Smith and Wesson!  

[jg1]

37 minutes ago, Whatshername said:

Lol!  If that's meant for me Jg, fear not!  I wasn't insulted at all.  Actually, Snow nailed it by definition... Hildabeast really is a Battle Ax!  I'm more of a 'Pistol' (if we're assigning weapons to fit our personalities).  

NO. Not at all. Every time I hear or say the word Trump I hear how they would not vote for him due to he is a racist and thinks all woman are fat pigs . Of course thats from the media. On the other hand Hillarious would steal our country blind like she has been doing but at an excelerared rate. 

Actually I like your posts, sorry for the misunderstanding. 

[divemaster5734]

3 hours ago, yota691 said:

If You’re On the Fence About Your Vote, This Pastor Clarifies How the Very Future of America Is At Stake

 

Once again, many thanks to you for locating and posting a patient and accurate summary of the dynamic we are faced with.

Each bullet point has been addressed by members here, but the pastor did an exceptional job of presenting a third person objective summation from a patriotic and Christian perspective.

One of my main faults is when I start talking about clinton my disgust for her soon overwhelms any social filters, and I have to stop or risk making very socially unacceptable, (PC be damned), comments.

Hopefully, those who have blinded themselves will now be able to see the reality of our situation.

The choice is really just as simple as life, or death....DM