Donald Trump

[caz1104]

True enough.  However, he has already lost the sizable Latino vote.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Is that the 'Illegal" Latino vote or the "legal". One thing Trump did say I 100% agree with................it ain't going to fix itself and will only get worse. 

[Shabibilicious]

Is that the 'Illegal" Latino vote or the "legal". One thing Trump did say I 100% agree with................it ain't going to fix itself and will only get worse. 

 

Latino, that's all.........plus or minus 11,000,000.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[caz1104]

I'd be curious as to the size of the "legal" latino voting block. 

[TexasGranny]

I'd be curious as to the size of the "legal" latino voting block. 

Here you go caz

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/10/5-takeaways-about-the-2014-latino-vote/

 

5 takeaways about the 2014 Latino vote

BY JENS MANUEL KROGSTAD AND MARK HUGO LOPEZ3 COMMENTS

Even though some states with the largest Hispanic populations were not part of the most competitive midterm election contests, the Latino vote still mattered. Gearing up for the election, pollsters, journalists and politicians wanted to know how the Hispanic vote would shape the overall results. Would Latinos turn out to vote in greater numbers this year? Would the lack of action on immigration reform by President Obama and Congress depress voter turnout, or raise it? Here are five takeaways about Latino voters in this year’s elections, based on exit poll data.

1Democrats won the Latino vote, but Republican candidates gained a sizable share of this electorate. In several Senate and governor races for which exit poll data are available, we know this is true. For example, in gubernatorial races in Georgia and Texas, Republican candidates won more than 40% of the Latino vote. In House races nationwide, there was little change from the previous midterm election. Some 62% of Latinos voted for Democratic House candidates nationwide, compared with 36% who voted Republican, the national exit poll shows. The Democratic share is similar to the last midterm election in 2010, but down from 2012, when the advantage over Republicans was 68% to 30%.

2Hispanics made up 8% of the nation’s voters, the same as in 2010 and 2006, according to national exit polls. Measuring the demographics of voters is difficult using exit polls. Nonetheless, they can be useful when examining trends. Even as the Latino vote remained flat at 8%, their share among eligible voters has grown from 8.6% in 2006 to 11% this year. (The number of Hispanic eligible voters has reached more than 25 million today, up from 17.3 million in 2006.) This suggests, but does not show, that voter turnout among Latinos may not have surged this year. Indeed, some analysts say voter turnout among the general public nationwide may be equal or down from 2010.

Historically, Hispanic voter turnout rates areamong the lowest of any race or ethnic group in midterm elections. In 2010, 31.2% of Hispanics voted, compared with 48.6% of whites, 44% of blacks and 31% of Asians. (More precise voter turnout numbers won’t be available until the Census Bureau releases its data in spring 2015.)

3The economy was, by far, the top issue for Latino voters. About half (49%) of Latino voters called it the most important issue facing the country, according to the national exit poll. Health care (24%) and illegal immigration (16%) followed. These findings mirror other surveys. For example, our survey has produced similar rankings of the issues over the years. Even though immigration is not the top issue for Latinos, it remains an important one. Two-thirds (66%) of Latino registered voters say passing new immigration legislation soon is extremely or very important, according to the center’s 2014 National Survey of Latinos.

4It’s not clear whether President Obama’s executive action delay on immigration swayed Hispanic voters one way or the other. Obama did not deliver on a promise to offer deportation relief to some of the 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. by September, instead pushing any action to after the election. The 2014 National Survey of Latinos found Hispanics have mixed feelings on the decision. About a third of Hispanic registered voters (35%) say they are either disappointed or angry with the president’s decision, compared with about one-fourth (26%) who are very happy or pleased. And one-third (32%) say they have heard nothing at all or don’t know about the president’s decision. Plus, about half of Hispanic registered voters (54%) say a candidate’s position on immigration is not a deal-breaker in determining their vote.

5In state elections, Republicans won most races for which exit poll data are available, even though they lost the Latino vote. For example, in Florida, Gov. Rick Scott ® won re-election with 38% of the Latino vote, a significant drop from the 50% he won in 2010. Demographics may have also played a role. Latinos made up asmall share of eligible voters in states projected to be competitive this year. Nonetheless, there is potential for Hispanics to impact elections. Latinos have played an important role – twice – in helping President Obama win the presidency. In 2016, if the battleground states for president remain the same as during the Obama years, the impact of the Latino vote is expected to be more significant.

 

 

 

 

[Lex]

True enough.  However, he has already lost the sizable Latino vote.  

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Has he?  The legal Latino immigrants I know dislike the illegal's and are far more disparaging towards them.  I would say he may have lost a sizable illegal Latino vote. IMO, legal immigrants come to assimilate into the american culture while most illegal alien's come for the handouts which is a much better life than they have in their respective country's. BTW, I'd do the same if I were in were in their situation.

[davis411]

hey crazy Canadian here, what are we talking about lol 

 

i like Trump, if i was American i would vote for him just to see

what happens,

and i would of voted for perot also if i was allowed to, 

[SnowGlobe7]

Come on down!!!!! just cross the border...head to Chicago...get a name off a headstone and vote!!! All the cool kids are doing it!!!!!

[bigwave]

Who is Luigi?    

Come on down!!!!! just cross the border...head to Chicago...get a name off a headstone and vote!!! All the cool kids are doing it!!!!!

Is that what O did?

[pattyangel]

Thanks TexasGranny!!!

 

I have come across Hispanic's/Latinos voters who have voice their disappointments in Mr.O. and do feel that the immigrations laws need to be improved.  That was refreshing to hear!!!!  Of course these people were legal, and understand that everyone should abide by the laws of America... in order to prosper in life. 

 

So the media will mislead the readers for their gain of ratings. 

[DWitte]

Come on down!!!!! just cross the border...head to Chicago...get a name off a headstone and vote!!! All the cool kids are doing it!!!!!

His name is already on a headstone.  In several cities.

[Big Newby]

If Trump doesn't secure the Republican nod he will run as an Independent.....and take a sizable amount of Republican votes with him......solidifying a Democratic win.  How can people not grasp this basic mathematical concept?    

 

GO RV, then BV 

Shabbs, so what's the right thing to do more than a year away from the election?  Don't you think it's a little bit early to walk away from Trump or Bush or Walker or any other candidate?  Don't you think we have a little time to let this all mesh out?  It seems to me the smart play here is to draw out of each of the candidates everything we can hear and see about who they are and what they'll do.  We all pretty much already know who Trump is.  But the book's still out on the others.  Maybe by late Spring 2016 we should begin serious conversations about pulling together to get the winner.  I for one am sick of feeling forced to vote for someone just because I'm scared another Democrat will win.  It's time we all vote our hearts after diligently vetting each candidate.  I'm reminded of the question one famous Christian pastor asked after Mitt Romney lost:  "Now that the election's over is it OK for Christians to start saying again that Mormonism is a cult?"  He was the odds on favorite in the GOP and no one ran against him.....except his religion.  4 million Republicans stayed home because of that and got Obama re-elected.  Doing the right thing is doing the right thing.  And I think with today's mass media exposure ad nauseum we'll have a good picture of who the best GOP candidate will be, not just because they can win, but when they win, do the right thing.....ALL the time.

[davis411]

His name is already on a headstone.  In several cities.

yep it is,

always misspelled though

 

weird

[Doctor Smith]

If it come down to cocaine, dead body count, Clinton. Or new world order 911 Bush. I think I'll vote for Trump. Unless one of the Pauls have a chance. And the Pauls don't seem to ever make a dent. Trumps probably the only one that can win. If he kisses a bunch of Mexican babies, to make up.

[Adam Montana]

Shabbs, so what's the right thing to do more than a year away from the election?  Don't you think it's a little bit early to walk away from Trump or Bush or Walker or any other candidate?  Don't you think we have a little time to let this all mesh out?  It seems to me the smart play here is to draw out of each of the candidates everything we can hear and see about who they are and what they'll do.  We all pretty much already know who Trump is.  But the book's still out on the others.  Maybe by late Spring 2016 we should begin serious conversations about pulling together to get the winner.  I for one am sick of feeling forced to vote for someone just because I'm scared another Democrat will win.  It's time we all vote our hearts after diligently vetting each candidate.  I'm reminded of the question one famous Christian pastor asked after Mitt Romney lost:  "Now that the election's over is it OK for Christians to start saying again that Mormonism is a cult?"  He was the odds on favorite in the GOP and no one ran against him.....except his religion.  4 million Republicans stayed home because of that and got Obama re-elected.  Doing the right thing is doing the right thing.  And I think with today's mass media exposure ad nauseum we'll have a good picture of who the best GOP candidate will be, not just because they can win, but when they win, do the right thing.....ALL the time.

 

I know you were addressing Shabs, but I have an opinion... so here it is (In PART! I definitely can't cover it all in one post!)

 

First, in Shabs defense, I think his point is simply that if Trump runs as an Independent against a named Republican and a Named Democrat, any votes for Trump will simply pull votes away from the Republican party, and that will secure a Democratic win. So if someone is a Conservative/Republican/etc, and you have THREE choices... voting for Trump is really a vote for Hillarious.

 

Second, I agree 100% that we need to hold our horses and wait to see what the candidates really have to say... but that's where it all gets messed up. Trump is Trump. We KNOW who Trump is - he's a businessman, he is a deal-maker, and he will get stuff done. I love that about him. Unfortunately, the Republican party is so screwed up that he might not get the nomination, so who does that leave us? Scott Walker - we KNOW who Scott Walker is, and I hate to say it... but because of his refusal to budge on *** marriage, he can NOT win an election of this magnitude. I'm not saying I disagree with him, and honestly I'm a huge Scott Walker supporter. I'm simply stating a hard fact. Scott Walker cannot win. So who else do we have? Jeb Bush is one, Marco Rubio is another, etc etc... they all lose to Hillarious. Here's why:

 

Three, since we're talking about Hillarious, let me point something out. There is a reason why Hillarious is semi-silent right now... and it's not good for Republicans. Hillarious is semi silent right now because the Clintons are MASTER politicians. They are watching and waiting, because the hoopla about Trump right now won't matter in a year. The average voter has the memory of a walnut, and the money spent in the 6 months prior to November 11 is all that matters. And right now, Trump and everyone else is just giving the Clinton empire more ammo to use during that last 6 months. The Clintons have survived more scandals than anyone else, and they know how to win elections - period.

 

And finally, I'm going to give Trump another little Kudos Badge, because the guy is so flipping good at getting free press. I really hope he has the stamina to stick it out to the end, and I hope he has more up his sleeve after this little immigration fiasco.

 

I kind of think he does, but we'll see.

 

Oh, one more thing - this is a great thread. It will be fantastic to see where the election goes, and even more amazing is how this community openly discusses opposing ideas without trying to poop on each other's lawns or other netiquette faux pas

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Netiqutte faux pas

I like that one.

[bostonangler]

Ha Ha Ha... The republicans are so screwed. Trump, Bush, and 12 others! They can't be serious. The democrats are also screwed! Hillarious? Seriously??? Bernie Sanders may actually have a chance as most Americans are beginning to realize neither party can be taken honestly. I find it sickening that anyone supports either party. Ask yourself what has the party done for you. Republicans support corporate welfare. The Democrats want to take away your personal rights.

 

What is really sad is the average American voter acts like they are in the club when they support their party. Trust me neither party will let the middle class through the gates of their private clubs. They just take our money and keep cashing in...

 

Time to throw them all out. Don't complain about our government if you are guilty of voting for an incumbent. You want the corruption to stop? Don't vote for anyone who is currently in office. Let's try some new blood that doesn't know how to scam the system.

 

Okay I'm done venting..... GO RV!!!!!

 

B/A

[Adam Montana]

Bernie Sanders is just another "redistribute the wealth" socialist, he's just using different words. 

[kennyc]

Trump sounds just like the BLUE COLLAR workers of America. He's saying what most of us think. The politicians don't have the nuts to say it.

That's why they will lose next yr.

GO TRUMP 2016.

I HOPE HE DOES'NT STICK HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH & BLOW IT.

[Jaxinjersey]

Trump sounds just like the BLUE COLLAR workers of America. He's saying what most of us think. The politicians don't have the nuts to say it.

That's why they will lose next yr.

GO TRUMP 2016.

I HOPE HE DOES'NT STICK HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH & BLOW IT.

Agreed Kenny!  Trump is a businessman and will always be in the thick of it all, every day... it's his nature and his mantra.  He wouldn't be the success he is by taking the day off!  So, while he's getting all this attention now... I don't see it fading, unless he manipulates that.  With the flick of a switch, he could immerse in any issue at any time.  Trump has staying power... and it'll be up to him!

[bostonangler]

Trump speaks for the blue collar worker? He was born with a silver foot in his mouth! I know that quote belongs to the lady from Texas, but it works for The Donald. If you think Trump is for the middle class you are only fooling yourself. He is for corporate welfare.

 

Adam, I agree with you about Bernie, but spreading the wealth sounds better than hoarding it. I know if you gave everyone in America the same amount of money in five years most of it would be back in the hands of the wealthy, but there are a few of us who would know what to do we our piece of the pie. No one has ever given me anything that I didn't earn and I'm not supporting the socialism ideals, but letting corporations of the hook hasn't ever worked. Heck even Warren Buffet has stated his secretary pays more taxes than he does and he thinks that is a big problem. If you've read the constitution and the bill of rights, you would know that individuals are not supposed to pay income taxes, only corporations are supposed to pay them. Funny how the wisest men in history, our founding fathers, had the right idea and now it has been turned around by the corrupt.

[Adam Montana]

Adam, I agree with you about Bernie, but spreading the wealth sounds better than hoarding it. I know if you gave everyone in America the same amount of money in five years most of it would be back in the hands of the wealthy, but there are a few of us who would know what to do we our piece of the pie.

it sounds like you're advocating a redistribution every 5 years...

[Adam Montana]

Trump speaks for the blue collar worker? He was born with a silver foot in his mouth! I know that quote belongs to the lady from Texas, but it works for The Donald. If you think Trump is for the middle class you are only fooling yourself. He is for corporate welfare.

 

I agree that he doesn't speak for the blue collar worker, but I don't think he's for corporate welfare. I believe he's more for deals that encourage hard work and success, and discourage welfare in general.

 

I guess we will see more as time goes on.

[chess]

AND, Mexico really could build the Trump wall.  Bring back, with immunity, El Chopo and put him in charge!

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~it'd be the best wall drug money could buy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[chess]

(El Chapo)

[caz1104]

it sounds like you're advocating a redistribution every 5 years...

LOL 100% agree.................such a venture continues us down the "entitlement" path...................not good IMO. Here's an idea work hard, create your own opportunities, and stop relying on others for your existence. Just my 2 cents