A ISIS question, hmmm

[new york kevin]

We all know that the Saudies are Sunni, that Iran is Shiite. That Iraq is mixed with a Shiite majority. That ISIS is Sunni and getting paid by the Saudies to mess up Irans plans and political pull in the ME. We also know that historically, there is supportive proof that all world wars have been fought over currency wars to gain a economic and political advantage over ones "competitors" . Is the current crisis, via ISIS, the cover the Saudi's are using to fight Iraq's position as the lowest valued currency in the ME because they see Iraq gaining a vast majority of the manufacturing inquiries in the ME? Also, because they see Iraq well positioned to jump to the front of the line as the ultimate power house in the ME? Just thinking, trying to spark a conversation here. Hopefully I expressed myself correctly. Peace, Love, Happiness, and a huge RV to ya'll.

[Wiljor]

Good morning NYK, the Sunni's and the Shiite's have hated each other for as long as recorded time but have learned to co exist for political and of coarse economical reasons. A co worker just returned from a trip to Lebanon to his homeland and he spoke of the tensions now being felt there as well with the Sunni and Shiite tribes. Perhaps your theory has merit but I do believe their issues are more deep rooted then that.

[Shabibilicious]

Simply put........Red Sox / Yankees......because your parents say so.    

 

GO RV, and NO BV

[umbertino]

Good morning NYK, the Sunni's and the Shiite's have hated each other for as long as recorded time but have learned to co exist for political and of coarse economical reasons. A co worker just returned from a trip to Lebanon to his homeland and he spoke of the tensions now being felt there as well with the Sunni and Shiite tribes. Perhaps your theory has merit but I do believe their issues are more deep rooted then that.

I'd tend to agree. Grazie.

[stealthwarrior]

Who knows what any of those idiots in the middle east are doing?Saudi Arabia has never been "our friend" or ever will be.they hate us with a passion but our government says they are our friends and allies.my solution is a simple one.turn the ME into a sea of glass.there is NOTHING there that we need from them.we produce more oil than they do and we export oil.why do we export oil and then buy oil from them.this is total insanity.this is my solution.sorry if it is harsh but so is the world we live in.the AMERICAN people are tired of paying the price for the world.F'em.now on to Kobani.this one is very simple.the kurds are defending the western part of the city while isis is coming from the east.they both are at about 50/50 right now.it doesn't take general PATTON to figure this one out.send word the to Kurdish fighters to move 6 blocks back at a certain time because that's when we will level the eastern half of Kobani.two 15 thousand pound F.A.Y. bombs should do the trick.please put me in charge of the military for 90 days and we won't have anymore crap from the rest of the world.in the words of Teddy Roosevelt.walk softly and carry a big stick,well we DO have the biggest stick.

Edited October 16, 2014 by stealthwarrior

[boosterbglee]

Stealthwarrior...........unleash the hounds!!!!  

[sanders2340]

Petro Dollar! Petro Dollar!

The USA Dollar must remain relevant in the Middle East.

[gymrat76541]

The division between Shia and Sunni dates back to the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and the question of who was to take over the leadership of the Muslim nation. Sunni Muslims agree with the position taken by many of the Prophet's companions, that the new leader should be elected from among those capable of the job. This is what was done, and the Prophet Muhammad's close friend and advisor, Abu Bakr, became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation. The word "Sunni" in Arabic comes from a word meaning "one who follows the traditions of the Prophet."

On the other hand, some Muslims share the belief that leadership should have stayed within the Prophet's own family, among those specifically appointed by him, or among Imams appointed by God Himself.

The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad's death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali bin Abu Talib. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or God Himself. The word "Shia" in Arabic means a group or supportive party of people. The commonly-known term is shortened from the historical "Shia-t-Ali," or "the Party of Ali." They are also known as followers of "Ahl-al-Bayt" or "People of the Household" (of the Prophet).

 

Sunni Muslims make up the majority (85%) of Muslims all over the world. Significant populations of Shia Muslims can be found in Iran and Iraq, and large minority communities in Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, and Lebanon.

 

 

[Wiljor]

Thanks gymrat, I did not research history as you did but felt that their issues went way back. Well done. (+1)

Thanks for the clarification.

[okane]

Thanks again gymrat.  I didn't know that either.  

so, is ISIS Sunni??

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Thanks again gymrat.  I didn't know that either.  

so, is ISIS Sunni??

Try C.I.A.

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[Theseus]

The division between Shia and Sunni dates back to the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and the question of who was to take over the leadership of the Muslim nation. Sunni Muslims agree with the position taken by many of the Prophet's companions, that the new leader should be elected from among those capable of the job. This is what was done, and the Prophet Muhammad's close friend and advisor, Abu Bakr, became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation. The word "Sunni" in Arabic comes from a word meaning "one who follows the traditions of the Prophet."

On the other hand, some Muslims share the belief that leadership should have stayed within the Prophet's own family, among those specifically appointed by him, or among Imams appointed by God Himself.

The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad's death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali bin Abu Talib. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or God Himself. The word "Shia" in Arabic means a group or supportive party of people. The commonly-known term is shortened from the historical "Shia-t-Ali," or "the Party of Ali." They are also known as followers of "Ahl-al-Bayt" or "People of the Household" (of the Prophet).

 

Sunni Muslims make up the majority (85%) of Muslims all over the world. Significant populations of Shia Muslims can be found in Iran and Iraq, and large minority communities in Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, and Lebanon.

Partly right. When their prophet died he did not name a successor, a so-called pope of the Islamic World as they knew it back then. There was a girl who was introduced to their prophet at the age of 4. She was introduced by her Uncle Badr. Their prophet had shenanigans (being polite here) with the girl until she married their prophet at the age of 8. The marriage was consummated at that time. When that girl, Aisha, was around 17 her husband died leaving a vacuum in the leadership of the muslims. The factions fought over who should be successor. On one hand it was Aisha's Uncle, since purportedly their prophet with all the sexual strength and prowess beguiled a human being never produced a living heir. On the other hand, the other faction believed it to be a son-in-law but the problem with this is that their prophet conveniently received a divine ayat from their divine being that the son-in-law divorced his wife so their prophet could marry her (assertedly their propher somehow saw the leg's of his son-in-law's wife and just had to have her). So the question begat who was the rightful heir to the kingdom? No one has rightfully answered this and many have died over seeking the answer. However what is known is that the Calipha is supposedly be tied to their prophet's bloodline. The only bloodline that does exist in this case would be only that of relatives not direct descendants. Both the Uncle of Aisha and the son-in-law are supposedly somehow connected.

 

Shiites are the ones who cut themselves every year and make an additional pilgrimage to the General who died in battle and was entombed in Iraq. This is in addition to the pilgrimage every muslim is supposed to take to Mecca. The sunni's have many splintered factions. One of them are the Wahabi's whom near the end of the Ottoman Empire decided to march to Turkey and down to Isreal (Palestine as it was called during the Ottoman Empire but Palestine was not a country) to push the Jews into the sea. The Wahabi's claimed that shiites were committing "shirk" something so evil that its the worst thing a muslim can commit, covet other gods and have idols. So they killed any muslim who they claimed committed shirk. Now the Wahabi's almost took over the House of Saud until the House of Saud and the Wahabi's made a deal securing the reign of the King. However this was akin to making a deal with the devil as some purport that the Saudi King is merely a figure head and the Wahabi's rule. Note here that most believe the Wahabi's don't exist.  The other faction worth noting and its the Salafi's. This group is even worse than the Wahabi's as they claim to be peaceful individuals but they do not tell you who they are peaceful too. The answer to that is only other Salafis. Shiek Osama bin Laden was a wahabi who in 1999 issued a fatwah towards the United States using ayat 9:5 from the Quran to justify the war on the United States. This verse has consitently been used to justify the killing of infidels and mushirikens where ever they may be. 

 

IS/ISIL/ISIS (whatever you want to call them) is not good and ARE muslims from the two worst sects of Islam - wahabis (alqaeda) and Salafi's (Muslim Brotherhood). This should explain to some degree why the bummer as prez or as I like to call him the POSOTUS is chummy with muslims. For those who cannot read between the lines, 0bummer is chummy with Muslim Brotherhood and has appointed Muslim Brotherhood members to some of the highest appointed positions in his cabinets thus giving them very highly classified information of our nation(See Homeland Security appointees by 0bummer). CAIR's co-founder (Hezbollah) once stated, that CAIR is not in America to be another religion, it is here to be the dominant religion and the Quran its constitution. Athiests better wake up (as the rest of the nation) to this because athiests are not asked to convert or pay the jiziya (protection money) which only leaves one choice left. Islam will never be secular and cannot exist in a secular context unless major reform is done to the so-called ROP.

 

I could care less what you believe or what you do as long as you do not infringe on my rights or any other person's as a citizen of this nation. If it does not harm me or anyone else, believe it do it but most of all take personal accountability for the consequences for believing and doing what you will.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Theseus

[Calijim]

Ok who's more likely to be radicalized. Shia or Sunni? Or does. It matter?