Pregnant Austrian teens in ISIS: We’ve made a huge mistake

[gymrat76541]

The teenage girls who abandoned their families in Austria to become jihadis for ISIS feel they’ve made a terrible mistake by joining the barbaric lifestyle and they want to come home.

Samra Kesinovic, 17, and Sabina Selimovic, 15, are believed to be married, pregnant and living in the Islamic State-controlled city of Raqqa in northern Syria, Central European News reports.

Dubbed by Austrian media as the poster girls for jihad, the young friends now believe their lives have been turned upside down by their new lifestyles.

The change of heart is a much different tune than the note they left behind for their parents when they fled back in April, which read: “Don’t look for us. We will serve Allah — and we will die for him.”

Kesinovic and Selimovic grew up in Vienna, where they became accustomed to talking to whomever they wanted, saying whatever they pleased and wearing whatever clothes they liked. They did not have to live a life being controlled by people telling them what they can and cannot do.

But Kesinovic and Selimovic decided to leave all that behind and shack up with the same people they’ve now grown to hate.

For weeks, social media accounts believed to belong to the girls have been posting pictures and information leading many to feel they enjoyed living a life of terror.

Austrian media are reporting that Kesinovic and Selimovic have said enough is enough and want to return to their families, according to CEN.

They have contacted their loved ones and told them they are sick of living with the Islamic State jihadis, but they also said they don’t feel they can flee from their unwanted new life because too many people now associate them with ISIS.

“The main problem is about people coming back to Austria,” said Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck. “Once they leave, it is almost impossible.”

[mrparrot]

Oh well.

 

Sucks to be you.

 

Go crawl back into the hole

that your husband dug for

you in the desert and shut

the hell up.

 

This is the life you wanted...

 

No, the Parrot has ZERO compassion
for the stupid.

 

In fact, these two dim bulbs put the

"upid" in stupid...

[gymrat76541]

Oh well.

 

Sucks to be you.

 

Go crawl back into the hole

that your husband dug for

you in the desert and shut

the hell up.

 

This is the life you wanted...

 

No, the Parrot has ZERO compassion

for the stupid.

 

In fact, these two dim bulbs put the

"upid" in stupid...

 

You have to wonder what type of unsupervised life these teens were living that enabled them at 15 & 17 years old to travel & join this organization at their age? WOW The parents should be facing charges!

[mrparrot]

You have to wonder what type of unsupervised life these teens were living that enabled them at 15 & 17 years old to travel & join this organization at their age? WOW The parents should be facing charges!

Name me one country, anywhere in the world,

where 15 and 17 year old kids don't pull the

"running away from home" routine.

 

Sure, there are plenty of things to blame on the

parents when kids do something stupid, but then

there's some things that, short of locking your

kid in the closet for 18 years, a parent really has

no control over.

 

Free will is a strong thing...

 

OK, gymrat76541, you opened the door.

 

Name one thing YOU did at that age, that

looking back now, your parents COULD have

faced charges for.

 

And this question goes for all of you who are

reading this.

 

I'm just trying to show how much age and wisdom

come into play as we get older.

 

And be honest.

 

Who here has seen a kid ( or a group of kids )

doing something that YOU did when you were

that age, but now, when you see them doing it,

your first thought is, "What a ( insert insulting word here ) ." . ?

[gymrat76541]

Name me one country, anywhere in the world,

where 15 and 17 year old kids don't pull the

"running away from home" routine.

 

Sure, there are plenty of things to blame on the

parents when kids do something stupid, but then

there's some things that, short of locking your

kid in the closet for 18 years, a parent really has

no control over.

 

Free will is a strong thing...

 

OK, gymrat76541, you opened the door.

 

Name one thing YOU did at that age, that

looking back now, your parents COULD have

faced charges for.

 

And this question goes for all of you who are

reading this.

 

I'm just trying to show how much age and wisdom

come into play as we get older.

 

And be honest.

 

Who here has seen a kid ( or a group of kids )

doing something that YOU did when you were

that age, but now, when you see them doing it,

your first thought is, "What a ( insert insulting word here ) ." . ?

Really? 

So you think an average 15 year old girl can get a passport, pack up their clothing & enough money to fly to a remote part of the world to start a new life and that's what all kids these days do?

LOL

[mrparrot]

Really? 

So you think an average 15 year old girl can get a passport, pack up their clothing & enough money to fly to a remote part of the world to start a new life and that's what all kids these days do?

LOL

I had friends over the years that did the

whole "backpack around Europe for a few

months" vacation.

 

The one common theme is that it doesn't take much

to get from one country to another.

 

And did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, they

were in contact with someone from ISIS that helped

them get from Point A to Point B?

 

Maybe provided them with money, plane tickets,

forged documents, etc?

 

Have you ever  sat down and planned a criminal act,

or a large business negotiation?

Some people consider them one and the same...

Looked at every conceivable angle, every possible

thing that could go wrong, and how to either avoid

it or fix it when it happens?

Taken the big picture and reduced it down to the

smallest, most minute little pieces possible?

 

Many times, things are not as simple as they

look on the surface.

 

What's that phrase...the Devil is in the details...?

[zzztop]

Too bad.  Bury yourselves up to your neck and wait to be stoned to death. 

[gymrat76541]

I had friends over the years that did the

whole "backpack around Europe for a few

months" vacation.

 

The one common theme is that it doesn't take much

to get from one country to another.

 

And did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, they

were in contact with someone from ISIS that helped

them get from Point A to Point B?

 

Maybe provided them with money, plane tickets,

forged documents, etc?

 

Have you ever  sat down and planned a criminal act,

or a large business negotiation?

Some people consider them one and the same...

Looked at every conceivable angle, every possible

thing that could go wrong, and how to either avoid

it or fix it when it happens?

Taken the big picture and reduced it down to the

smallest, most minute little pieces possible?

 

Many times, things are not as simple as they

look on the surface.

 

What's that phrase...the Devil is in the details...?

So it is your contention that a parent is NOT responsible for the actions of children? 

I am guessing either you are NOT American or you are NOT a parent.

Yes, anything is possible.

I find it hard to believe there is an ISIS network at work in Austria working to assist 15 & 17 year old girls defect to their cause! LOL

In America the parents are held accountable for the actions of their children! I am sure it is also true in Austria.

[mrparrot]

So it is your contention that a parent is NOT responsible for the actions of children? 

I am guessing either you are NOT American or you are NOT a parent.

Yes, anything is possible.

I find it hard to believe there is an ISIS network at work in Austria working to assist 15 & 17 year old girls defect to their cause! LOL

In America the parents are held accountable for the actions of their children! I am sure it is also true in Austria.

Ok, let's take this one point at a time...

 

So it is your contention that a parent is NOT responsible for the actions of children? 

I am guessing either you are NOT American or you are NOT a parent.

 

Is a parent responsible when their child, in Kindergarten,

during "Arts & Crafts Time", eats the white paste?

Is a parent responsible when their child, in Second

Grade, tugs on the ponytail of a girl he likes?

Is a parent responsible when their child, in

High School, at a Christian Retreat, smokes a

joint with another child of the same age there?

 

I'm a parent.

Sort of.

Step-parent to four.

Their Mom handled 99.9% of

the raising.

I was just the adviser and "Go-To" guy when

the situation warranted a little more than the

typical "Mom can handle it" resolution.

And yes, live in the States.

 

I find it hard to believe there is an ISIS network at work in Austria working to assist 15 & 17 year old girls defect to their cause! LOL

 

With the 'Net, it no longer matters where anyone is.

I find it hard to believe that you don't understand how

easy it is for ANYONE to look for ANY group on the

'Net and be able to find some sort of contact in a short

period of time.

ISIS doesn't need a network in Austria.

They have the 'Net...

 

In America the parents are held accountable for the actions of their children! I am sure it is also true in Austria.

 

Ok, let's look at a situation here.

Kid is on school bus in the morning.

Kid farts.

Should the parent be held responsible?

In this case, I would say yes, only if the

parent forced the kid to have beans and

broccoli for breakfast...

[gymrat76541]

Ok, let's take this one point at a time...

 

So it is your contention that a parent is NOT responsible for the actions of children? 

I am guessing either you are NOT American or you are NOT a parent.

 

Is a parent responsible when their child, in Kindergarten,

during "Arts & Crafts Time", eats the white paste?

Is a parent responsible when their child, in Second

Grade, tugs on the ponytail of a girl he likes?

Is a parent responsible when their child, in

High School, at a Christian Retreat, smokes a

joint with another child of the same age there?

 

I'm a parent.

Sort of.

Step-parent to four.

Their Mom handled 99.9% of

the raising.

I was just the adviser and "Go-To" guy when

the situation warranted a little more than the

typical "Mom can handle it" resolution.

And yes, live in the States.

 

I find it hard to believe there is an ISIS network at work in Austria working to assist 15 & 17 year old girls defect to their cause! LOL

 

With the 'Net, it no longer matters where anyone is.

I find it hard to believe that you don't understand how

easy it is for ANYONE to look for ANY group on the

'Net and be able to find some sort of contact in a short

period of time.

ISIS doesn't need a network in Austria.

They have the 'Net...

 

In America the parents are held accountable for the actions of their children! I am sure it is also true in Austria.

 

Ok, let's look at a situation here.

Kid is on school bus in the morning.

Kid farts.

Should the parent be held responsible?

In this case, I would say yes, only if the

parent forced the kid to have beans and

broccoli for breakfast...

No - you are NOT a parent! Point taken! 

One of my children at 13 went to school feeling like she was grown and cussed at the teacher - She was of course suspended from school, but the teacher was not satisfied so she pressed charges! Three guesses who had to pay the $500 fine?

My son got into a fight at 16 years old. Again who had to pay the $300 fine?

Parents are responsible for the actions of their children until they reach the age of adulthood. In Texas at that is 17. Most states 18.

In Texas we also have a law that says that the parents are responsible to pay for the legal cost of the lawyer & court costs for their children!

Edited October 10, 2014 by gymrat76541

[mrparrot]

No - you are NOT a parent! Point taken! 

One of my children at 13 went to school feeling like she was grown and cussed at the teacher - She was of course suspended from school, but the teacher was not satisfied so she pressed charges! Three guesses who had to pay the $500 fine?

My son got into a fight at 16 years old. Again who had to pay the $300 fine?

Parents are responsible for the actions of their children until they reach the age of adulthood. In Texas at that is 17. Most states 18.

In Texas we also have a law that says that the parents are responsible to pay for the legal cost of the lawyer & court costs for their children!

Did you bill your kids for the money when they

were older and got jobs...?

 

If not, then yes, you got stuck with the bill...

 

Would love to hear the stories behind those two situations.

Yes, I'm serious.

I've NEVER rolled over and gone with whatever a school

wanted without first having a complete investigation done.

 

Cussed at a teacher?

Was is just because she felt like it,

or did the teacher do something to deserve it?

I've dealt with many teachers who were on power

trips, and walked into one meeting and unloaded

on a teacher, in front of the admin staff and my

daughters.

Never had a problem with that teacher ever again...

 

As for the fight, if your kid didn't start it,

and self-defense could have been proven,

you never should have had to pay.

At least that's my opinion, based on

the minimal information provided here.

Edited October 10, 2014 by mrparrot

[Nadita]

Well

 

May I chime in?  I have children and it's impossible to get a passport for the children under 18 without parent's approval. I mean both parents need to present to apply for passport in the US.  I don't know the rules of Austrian government concerning passport.  I believe 14 years old can travel alone.  Yes, as parents we are responsible for our children's well being and behaviour and the whole enchilada.  Teenage years are the hardest year for parents.  Even the one who is an angel can be the opposite during teenagers.  I have paid for the kid's bills.  I also watch my kids and pray and pray.  We are living at the age of internet and kids are savvy when it comes to social media plus the cellphones.. we can't control what they are doing all the time, but as parents we can't be ignorant of what our children are doing.  When my children were growing up, I limit of what they can watch on tv.. I didn't use tv to babysit them.  But now, I am seeing mothers pushing the kids in the stroller with iPad playing favorite shows.. I think that is too much.. kids are bombarded with anything under the sun from social media, peer pressure, trying to find themselves in teen years.  

 

My prayer is that this story of these two girls would be a lesson learned and will make other teenage girls think twice before bailing out of the house and thinking this is cool.  They might not think of the consequences of their behaviour and yes.. they are ruled by their hormones at that age.  I pray other teenage girls will take this as a lesson and think before they act.  Would be good to blow this story in the social media and newspaper to warn others

[gymrat76541]

Well

 

May I chime in?  I have children and it's impossible to get a passport for the children under 18 without parent's approval. I mean both parents need to present to apply for passport in the US.  I don't know the rules of Austrian government concerning passport.  I believe 14 years old can travel alone.  Yes, as parents we are responsible for our children's well being and behaviour and the whole enchilada.  Teenage years are the hardest year for parents.  Even the one who is an angel can be the opposite during teenagers.  I have paid for the kid's bills.  I also watch my kids and pray and pray.  We are living at the age of internet and kids are savvy when it comes to social media plus the cellphones.. we can't control what they are doing all the time, but as parents we can't be ignorant of what our children are doing.  When my children were growing up, I limit of what they can watch on tv.. I didn't use tv to babysit them.  But now, I am seeing mothers pushing the kids in the stroller with iPad playing favorite shows.. I think that is too much.. kids are bombarded with anything under the sun from social media, peer pressure, trying to find themselves in teen years.  

 

My prayer is that this story of these two girls would be a lesson learned and will make other teenage girls think twice before bailing out of the house and thinking this is cool.  They might not think of the consequences of their behaviour and yes.. they are ruled by their hormones at that age.  I pray other teenage girls will take this as a lesson and think before they act.  Would be good to blow this story in the social media and newspaper to warn others

 

Thank you, A real parent speaks!

[ReinMan]

Girls went to be jizzbanks for ISIS. 

That's their problem.

[a-j516]

Theres plenty of nice guys out there that dont go around beheading people.  What the HE double were these two girls thinking.  Must have thought it kinda sorta was like Bonnie and Clyde.  Too late now, better watch for helicopter gunships.

[softwalker]

If these were my girls I would be so grateful that they see the truth and are willing to come home.  I would gladly do what I could to get them home and bring out the fatted calf.  And then let them tell the world how bad it was there. 

[ReinMan]

No - you are NOT a parent! Point taken! 

One of my children at 13 went to school feeling like she was grown and cussed at the teacher - She was of course suspended from school, but the teacher was not satisfied so she pressed charges! Three guesses who had to pay the $500 fine?

My son got into a fight at 16 years old. Again who had to pay the $300 fine?

Parents are responsible for the actions of their children until they reach the age of adulthood. In Texas at that is 17. Most states 18.

In Texas we also have a law that says that the parents are responsible to pay for the legal cost of the lawyer & court costs for their children!

 

 

I wouldn't have paid those fines, screw that!

[dinarmite]

So it is your contention that a parent is NOT responsible for the actions of children? 

I am guessing either you are NOT American or you are NOT a parent.

Yes, anything is possible.

I find it hard to believe there is an ISIS network at work in Austria working to assist 15 & 17 year old girls defect to their cause! LOL

In America the parents are held accountable for the actions of their children! I am sure it is also true in Austria.

 

It is a different world today, the internet has changed the rules. No different than you to disagreeing on this subject, on the street you 2 could pass each other by and never know it. But in today's world you 2 are able to have it out and voice an opion.

 

With blogs, Facebook, Instagram and many others kids can research anything from ISIS to *** porn without a parent knowing if they are not on top of things. Believe me it is not easy the youth of today are smart and have the world at thier fingertips

and if they see something that makes them curious they learn about it good or bad. As a parent you hope you have guided them in the right direction to make good choices.

 

These girls for what ever reason only seen the side of ISIS they wanted to see and it's to bad because what they see now is way more painful then they thought.

 

Parrot and Gymrat you both make valid points neither are completly right or wrong, that's what makes the world go around.