A^ROK Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 With all the hype out these days, (when haven't we seen hype) about the current political situation and Parliaments session successfully fulfilling their constitutional obligations of a new PM an such. Has anyone considered the fact that; we may see nothing at that point? Especially if budget and HCL is not resolved and even if they did resolve those outstanding issues as well? That we may see no movement in the IQD yet still? If we come to that point, I believe the issuing of bonds would be the next hope-full event that could spur a RV (2015?). However, as much of a realist that I am. I still believe things can happen at any-time. Any movement would be great at this point and time. My point is that even though I personally believe we are within a few short months to-...dare I say it..years away from possibly one of the greatest windfalls of all time. That we have a couple of events that could end up bringing in the desired "change" we are all looking for. I will be completely honest that over the past years of being vested in IQD, I have never seen the type of "enthusiasm" and co-operation from parliament that I have seen in the last couple months. Which leads me to believe in the possibility of a imminent RV/RI. Does anyone have the latest article concerning the issuing of bonds, and the latest article concerning the HCL as well as the article concerning the budget that have all come out as of late from what I can remember? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepguy Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 hello a rok ... yep this is and has been a rough year for our money deals , I was looking for a good turn around , at the first of this year but , then maliki started his crap ! and just when he looked like he was about too go ahead and let the prime minister seat go { some how ---> isis walks in with out much of a fight , and look who they have turn their fire power toward , yep toward the Kurdistan region <------ the ones that said screw you bagdaddy we are in neeed of cash you are not abiding by the laws and governance of the constitution ! we are selling the oil for money owed to us from over 6 years ago , not to mention , money from a budget that isn`t going to get passed this year ! } maliki is pushing the u.s. forces to o do battle against the same force that maliki let walk in ... trying too save his seat in government ....} now that the u.s. has started the fight to help ... along with british and other folks .... the stability in Iraq will start to get back tooo where we neeed I ........ I am stil;l looking too 2015 , but in the end of the year 2015 too see value of dinar ..... kick maliki out of country and his family { sons included } a little sooner on dinar ........ thanks folks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new york kevin Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Dinar home free ? Gotta see who the new guy is 1st. Is the new guy a unifier or a denier of a representative GOI? Will the new guy tolerate any radical islamists be they Shiite or Sunni? Will the new guy simply enforce the laws they have, and obey their constitution? Will the new guy mess with commerce or go capitalist which would be a good thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockymtnhi Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Really, you see stability in Iraq coming back!!! ISIS has taken a huge portion of the country. Who is going to drive them out of the country? Certainly not the USA or Britain. The USA, our beloved BO, has drug his feet getting involved and knew ISIS was making big advances and killing Christians and destroying hundreds of mosque's and done nothing to stop it until just a few days ago. He's only dropped 2 500lb bombs and done a few air strikes. Hardly enough to drive ISIS out of Iraq. BO won't even supply arms to the Kurds so they can defend their area. Unless BO mounts a massive response ISIS is likely to take over the entire country or at least retain the portion they have already taken. Big mistake not leaving some troops in Iraq to prevent this from happening. Now how do you get ISIS out? And if ISIS controls Iraq or a large part in the future what do you think the Dinar will be worth? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new york kevin Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Really, you see stability in Iraq coming back!!! ISIS has taken a huge portion of the country. Who is going to drive them out of the country? Certainly not the USA or Britain. The USA, our beloved BO, has drug his .feet getting involved and knew ISIS was making big advances and killing Christians and destroying hundreds of mosque's and done nothing to stop it until just a few days ago. He's only dropped 2 500lb bombs and done a few air strikes. Hardly enough to drive ISIS out of Iraq. BO won't even supply arms to the Kurds so they can defend their area. Unless BO mounts a massive response ISIS is likely to take over the entire country or at least retain the portion they have already taken. Big mistake not leaving some troops in Iraq to prevent this from happening. Now how do you get ISIS out? And if ISIS controls Iraq or a large part in the future what do you think the Dinar will be worth? You may need to try the de-caf brother, but true words to think about. Thank you. I gave you a bump up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeetdog Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks A^ROKS....Roger on the de-café....ISIS is bout to serve their purpose..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millionaire in training Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I think things are being handled just in time. The powers that be are not going to let ISIL spoil anything. This RV is bigger than all of us little people waiting to make a buck. Remember things are not always as they seem. We only know what they (the PTB ) want us to know. They are not winging this. They have a plan. Turki said that he's just waiting for a government to be chosen for him to finalize his project (RV). He's the only one that can do this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockymtnhi Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 All of us little people waiting to make a buck. Chuckle, chuckle.......do you have any idea how many dinar are out there in the world that were bought hoping to get rich? Where do you think Iraq will get the money to cash people out. They can't just suddenly produce Trillions of dollars to pay the millions of people around the world. So you think they have some secret mystical magic plan huh. LOL 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandfly Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francie26 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 RockyMtn, I believe they have a plan, and I believe they have started to implement it. They just have to get Maliki out of the way. He has done nothing to help the dinar or even his people or his nation in the entire time he has been in office. In fact, he was much like our own president in only helping himself and his screwed up followers. The nation of Iraq was no more important to him than America is to O. But once all of this cr^p is behind them, and Iraq as a free country is finally restored, they will move forward rather quickly. In fact, they are nearly there now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2028 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Well thanks - Edited August 10, 2014 by chris2028 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyrider Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 hey rocky tell Rod Saunders i said HI hahahaha 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millionaire in training Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 All of us little people waiting to make a buck. Chuckle, chuckle.......do you have any idea how many dinar are out there in the world that were bought hoping to get rich? Where do you think Iraq will get the money to cash people out. They can't just suddenly produce Trillions of dollars to pay the millions of people around the world. So you think they have some secret mystical magic plan huh. LOL No secret mystical plan .................. But definitely a plan. They've been planning this for a long time. Just cause we dont know the details dose'nt mean it's not in motion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A^ROK Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Millionaire in training, I do have to agree, the (PTB) do have an agenda or a plan if you will to a much greater extent than most would probably consider to realize. However, this "plan" does not always go as planned. So I am sure there has to be some improvising here and there dependent on the cooperation of their victims that they wish to manipulate to help get their agenda completed. Its seems as of the last several years that things were held off/pushed off. Does this mean the global central banks supposedly holding IQD were not intended to receive the value that they needed yet, awaiting a GCR? Or does it have to do more with the demand for the USD and how BRICS nations have now stepped to the plate with their own Development Bank (NDB). Either way, things are taking place and we are witnessing some major movement on all financial fronts. I personally believe that we will more likely see a RV simultaneously with a relatively strong (not any more or less valued than currently) valued dollar as opposed to the popular view that all global currencies are going to be simultaneously changed overnight (not saying that can't happen). The reason being that it would be to the advantage of Iraq to have a stronger dollar vs. depreciated dollar (currency swaps, import/exports, etc..), hence the 1 to 1 scenario, a little more subtle than a GCR, which we may see later after a actual RV.. When we do finally witness a initial jump in value, at which point there will be in no rush to "cash out" the IQD, possibly leverage against, but not cash out, not yet. Maybe not ever, maybe just exchange notes if necessary, invest properly and pay the negotiated interest with the bank. Never actually letting go of this currency, it has its benefits (reduced liability and reporting, disclosure agreements?), especially with a country that is carrying so much potential. Currently I see the dollar having still yet a considerable amount of time, probably no more than 2-3 years including the rest of this year before the lack of demand starts to be realized in its value. So we wait and see. Time certainly tells all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontlop Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Really, you see stability in Iraq coming back!!! ISIS has taken a huge portion of the country. Who is going to drive them out of the country? Certainly not the USA or Britain. The USA, our beloved BO, has drug his feet getting involved and knew ISIS was making big advances and killing Christians and destroying hundreds of mosque's and done nothing to stop it until just a few days ago. He's only dropped 2 500lb bombs and done a few air strikes. Hardly enough to drive ISIS out of Iraq. BO won't even supply arms to the Kurds so they can defend their area. Unless BO mounts a massive response ISIS is likely to take over the entire country or at least retain the portion they have already taken. Big mistake not leaving some troops in Iraq to prevent this from happening. Now how do you get ISIS out? And if ISIS controls Iraq or a large part in the future what do you think the Dinar will be worth? Obama can't supply the Kurds with weapons He would need baghdads approval Right now the Kurds are not on the good side in Baghdad The federal govts around the world control international trade policy The us would have to smuggle in arms if they are going around Baghdad If they get caught doing that There's a price to pay way bigger than they can handle The central govt of Iraq runs Iraq The Kurds can make certain laws in their provinces as long as they don't conflict with the constitution Which says what I just said The Kurds will not be importing weapons without baghdads approval The Kurds won't get any out side military help without baghdads approval Baghdad is responsible for all of iraq They can get all the help people are willing to give They get the jets They get the helicopters They get the tanks They get the missles They Kurds haven't exhausted the court system They didn't even try to use the court system They won't get any international support Unless Baghdad approves it The Kurds need to get into the court system and have record they have exhausted all their resources trying to break away or what ever they are doing up there If they don't use the courts They are on their own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontlop Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 All of us little people waiting to make a buck. Chuckle, chuckle.......do you have any idea how many dinar are out there in the world that were bought hoping to get rich? Where do you think Iraq will get the money to cash people out. They can't just suddenly produce Trillions of dollars to pay the millions of people around the world. So you think they have some secret mystical magic plan huh. LOL Come chuckler They won't be cashing out anyone Just like the USA won't be cashing out anyone The exchange value may change to a higher rate but that could only be after they extract most of the dinar thru dollarization Which ya got to admit is very heavy right now in Iraq They still have to initiate the strategic framework agreement to unleash the private sector in Iraq How do they do that ? By revaluing the dinar They don't cash it out reguardless of why people bought thru what ever speculation they took to They will settle up their revalued dinar thru trade About 10 to 15 billion dollars worth of private sector goods are now exported each year They first need to accept IMF article 8 and float the dinar while revaluing the dinar simultaneously Then all those 10 to 15 billion dollars worth of goods exported each year will be bought with dinar Where will they get dinar The same place everyone else gets their foriegn currency The exchange The govt of Iraq sets trade policy for Iraq they can set up legal tender regulation to buy goods from Iraq requires you exchange your currency into dinar first So it won't be Iraq who's doing any cashing out It will be people who do business with Iraq that need those dinars We will have to find the market via internet It won't be hard to find thru forex Once there a demand for dinar our dinar will sell Strategic frame work agreement calls for the unleashing of the private sector We haven't seen that yet They must keep the trade balance under control They may see an imbalance at first till these dinar level off But shipping their currency all over the world first at our expense was brilliant How else could you get your currency around the globe in people's hands This entire fiasco was brilliant Let's see Zimbabwe get people to buy their currency like we bought the dinar It's practically impossible But Iraq succeeded That alone was a major step in the process When you hear of Iraq accepting IMF article 8 and floating the dinar you best hope your holding some at the time It should happen towards the end of the month when it happens , right before the govt checks go out One day they will be in new revalued dinar along with the announcement of the exchange rate change and release of small denominations needed to make change in the market place They already use the dollar so they already know the exchange rates there so if the new dinar exchange rate is a dollar there's no education period needed Just the same as a dollar information will be necessary for an explaination How'd ya like that for speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontlop Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 You have to get the dinar into outside sources hands so they can be the ones that use it first after they rv to demonstrate its value with goods and services from Iraq Ya can't tell the world your currency is revalued then go try to spend it They won't trust you But if the currency is in their hands first and we get to spend it in Iraq to verify its value Then the world will know its value before they start to except it It doesn't take long to establish that fact thru trade of real goods and services I know its just a speculation But I don't see any other way Iraq cannot give out foriegn currency for dinar but they can give out goods and services for dinar No one from Iraq ever said they would give you dollars for dinar They do it locally in Iraq But that's as far as it goes they may buy some each day but not all of it at once Iraq may buy 50 or a hundred million dollars worth each day thru auctions But they won't be buying everyone's currency on a Monday morning all at once Every country buys and sells foriegn currency to maintain there local currency's exchange rate Remember Iraq has plenty of foriegn currency to buy dinar off the exchange every day to maintain its value They do what every day now 150 million a day average thru auctions Well those auctions will end and the cbi will be buying its dinar thru the international exchange Just like every other country they buy or sell currency every day to maintains stable exchange rate of their local currency If their currency gets to strong they sell their currency If it gets to weak they buy their currency Trillions each day trade hands on the exchange Forget about it It's over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontlop Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 There's not going to be some teller exchanging your dinar for dollars You will have to sell it or pay a dealer to sell it for you So your better off selling it yourself Hopfully large banks like citi or Goldman Sachs will be buying it heck the treasury could buy it to sell when they need to buy back dollars off the exchange I predict a market in the future Could be a long time from now or it could be next week Iraq is open for business as we speak They are not under sanctions They are a respected member of the international community They hold a seat in the United Nations they are members of the IMF They are not pee ons Iraq holds trillions of dollars worth of fossil fuels Which are in demand world wide as we speak Iraq can make demands of their own They are not the worlds slaves They got something the world community wants Remember the more hands your dinar has to go thru the less you wi get for them , everyone who handles them will get a share So go to the big guys if possible Those with ties to the fed City , chase Sachs, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicknSaudi Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Wow DL, nuthin' like a positive outlook eh? Sure hope you're right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiljor Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Right on Dontlop, you have summed things up in a logical format that makes sense my friend and your analagie puts into perspective a solution to how this could unfold, or should unfold. I appreciate your in depth explanation and your positive approach. Thanks a lot and if anyone has any negative input, which I can also understand, I will send them your way :-) Keeping grounded and in the game keeps this alive and thanks to folks like you who have a TRUSTED input here, I value your opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockymtnhi Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 That's about the most jiberish I've heard in a long time. $10 to $15billion a yr is a drop in the ocean compared to a one for one reval. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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