Religious forum

[DragonChylde]

I mentioned this is a post a couple days ago. Is there any possibility of a forum being created for religious discussion? I know we have many people deeply committed to their religion, spirituality, whatever term works. I, for one, have been considering not coming to this site because lately so many threads are getting hijacked. I come here for information and intelligent discussion on DINAR. I know so many of the events, etc include Islam and it's philosophies. I don't wish to eliminate relevant discussion but 4 and 5 pages of preaching and/or debate about the right/wrong of a particular belief is too much. I shouldn't have to feel like I have just attended an all day church service in order to read my news.

[Nelg]

I'm sure that those who express their faith is because it is their life.  Faith cannot be isolated from whatever one is doing.  However, you have a point.  This is a dinar site.  If you want it only for that, then keep the political wrangling, perverse humor, so called prophecies, progressive social reforms, prejudicial remarks, racism of any kind, rants about Obama, conspiracies theories, and general bunk not related to the dinar off the forums.  If I start reading and it has nothing to do with my interests, I usually stop reading and move to another forum.  I consider most of the above a total waste of time.  Get them removed (which you can't) and you have accomplished something.  All power to you.

 

I write when ask a question or comment, when I think someone is disparaging to the Christian faith, or if I can add to someone's understanding of the Christian faith.  That is my LIFE.  It is not church or preaching a sermon, it is who I am.  I do not make excuses, apologize, or remain silent when challenged because of my life and faith. I will not stop writing because it offends someone.  The gospel of Christ is often offensive.  

 

I write long post because there is a great deal of ignorance on these forums concerning Christ, the Word of God, and Christianity and it takes some information before others can understand what is being said in the posts.  You may totally understand or have heard it all you life, but most people either have a borrowed faith, no faith at all, of come from a background that cannot understand spiritual or biblical thinking.  Thus, I write long post.  

 

One thing you can do when reading something that you do not like or have no interest:  STOP READING.  Move to something else.  

 

Enjoy your day.  Peace.

[Goldiegirl]

Dragon....Why?  I feel you like to start things then let see how things escalate into arguments....sit back and watch the fireworks.  I've seen that on a few threads you started.   What do they call that?  A Shite Disturber???

 

I for one don't want to see a forum for this. If you wish to preach your word there are other forums you can try that on

Edited July 31, 2014 by Goldiegirl

[pattyangel]

Impossible.... everything we deal with in life leads us to our faith.  Choose wisely what you want to read. 

[easyrider]

I mentioned this is a post a couple days ago. Is there any possibility of a forum being created for religious discussion? I know we have many people deeply committed to their religion, spirituality, whatever term works. I, for one, have been considering not coming to this site because lately so many threads are getting hijacked. I come here for information and intelligent discussion on DINAR. I know so many of the events, etc include Islam and it's philosophies. I don't wish to eliminate relevant discussion but 4 and 5 pages of preaching and/or debate about the right/wrong of a particular belief is too much. I shouldn't have to feel like I have just attended an all day church service in order to read my news.

I actually agree with you.  This is what I see the problem is the religious threads usually turn out to be a nightmare and they get bumped up to the top of the forum pages and it may turn people off of those looking for dinar discussion because in retrospect this is a DINAR forum. So i can see where you are coming from.  The mods usually have to step in on religious threads to calm them down. My thing is though Dragon if you start a thread that is controversal in regards to faith and religion be prepared for the ramifications it will bring.

Edited July 31, 2014 by easyrider

[dontlop]

Thanks

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha

[bamagirl]

I don't see how you can seperate religion from dinar talk. The Iraqis base most decisions on their faith and it intertwines frequently when anything is discussed about them even currency so I really don't see how a new category would help you much... Unless it is just Christian faith that annoys you and you'd like to skip over??

[Muleslayer]

I mentioned this is a post a couple days ago. Is there any possibility of a forum being created for religious discussion? I know we have many people deeply committed to their religion, spirituality, whatever term works. I, for one, have been considering not coming to this site because lately so many threads are getting hijacked. I come here for information and intelligent discussion on DINAR. I know so many of the events, etc include Islam and it's philosophies. I don't wish to eliminate relevant discussion but 4 and 5 pages of preaching and/or debate about the right/wrong of a particular belief is too much. I shouldn't have to feel like I have just attended an all day church service in order to read my news.

Dude or dudet

You know where the door is!

[Markinsa]

For the most part, if you read the forum rules, you will see that Adam wants us to respect one another and to keep our post clean.

Keeping the above in mind, I try to filter out these post while allowing everyone an opportunity to freely express themselves.

If you find a member who is frequently posting things you do not want to read, skip over their posts or place them on ignore.

Pretty simple.

P.S. Jesus loves you, don't ignore that!

[Djorgie]

I second that, Markinsa! JESUS LOVES YOU!!!!!!!!!

 

I also want to add that there are SO many other things that are involved pertaining to a RV and Iraq and we should keep that in mind too. When a RV takes place it will have a pretty deep impact on many lives and even if one doesn't take place, YHWH/God forbid, just communicating with and getting to know the people here at DV has affected many of us here positively.

 

Through this whole process some have shared more than they probably should have lol... but we have shared stories and parts of our lives and lifted spirits and ticked off a few, and just been human really... I mean seriously, this would be a pretty boring site if ALLLLLL that was allowed here was JUST RV NEWS simply because there has not been one and NO ONE knows when or if there will be... and there is plenty of it. There are many devoted news hounds who bring us lots of breaking dinar news and headlines, theories and even recycled gurumors so, I'd say that just because there is some religious, spiritual, or whatever you would like to call it talk in the mix that it doesn't mean it's not somehow related to Iraq or a RV of the dinar. There are a lot of layers to this cake and this topic just happens to be a part of the mix.

 

I won't judge you for your comment or opinion on this because you are entitled to it, however, there are many other topics you could have singled out like politics, philosophy, posting photos (that aren't of dinar), people who make a thousand posts that just say, "thanks"., other currencies, joke telling, music videos (no disrespect to the music man), rumors, guru poo poo, etc. etc. etc...

 

The point is that if they banned us from speaking about our faith then they would have to ban all of this other stuff as well and then this site would be pretty much non existent. That is the best thing about DV... the fact that you can have these discussions(whatever they may include) and it's okay.

 

If you just really can't stand it that much then you could take some of the other posters advice or just decide for yourself if you want to continue to come here for your dinar info. or not. You can always skip the stuff you don't want to read.

[DragonChylde]

I thought this was likely to be the response from some. I thought it was worth a try. A couple of you mentioned that I have been involved in some of the threads that end up hijacked. I freely admit that and in the thread where I first brought it up, apologized for doing so. I don't find Christianity offensive. I find the complete hijacking of threads away from the original topics to be offensive. Recently, religion is the topic which seems to cause most of the hijacking.

Nelg, the stop reading tactic was working fine for quite awhile. The problem is that the threads are being hijacked, reoriented to the original topic and then hijacked again. I was missing pieces and ideas by just stopping reading when a hijacked started. Not to mention that some of the worst hijackers are also solid contributors to the forum. The ignore list for these people isn't practical and would make reading here almost worthless. I typically enjoy your posts, long or not, and read the vast majority.

Goldie, thank you for the compliment. I have tried very hard to keep my personal bias out of posts on religion here. I am glad I succeeded. As for being a shite stirrer, maybe it seems that way. I have a habit of making statements that cause debate. Unfortunately, my life away from the computer often causes me to be unable to post for blcks of time and the debate has moved on when I get back.

Bamagirl, I don't want to eliminate all discussion of religion. As you point out, that is impractical. I am just suggesting that there be a place for some of the religious debate which is currently hijacking threads. Right now, if an issue opens up a religious debate like the recent one about peaceful Muslims, there really isn't another place for that to be debated. Off topic would be about the only option. I don't want to eliminate the ability to discuss such things. I just would like to see it moved out of the news forum.

Markinska, thank you for the clarification.

Djorgie, I don't want to eliminate it. I just want to not be wading through it to get the news. If I have 15 minutes to read news, I don't want to spend 10 of it on religious stuff.

It would appear this isn't a viable option. I thought I would pose it. Thank you for the feedback each of you.

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Impossible.... everything we deal with in life leads us to our faith.  Choose wisely what you want to read.

  

I don't see how you can seperate religion from dinar talk. The Iraqis base most decisions on their faith and it intertwines frequently when anything is discussed about them even currency so I really don't see how a new category would help you much... Unless it is just Christian faith that annoys you and you'd like to skip over??

Excellent point Ladies.

And sadly Dragon would love to remove all discussion of faith from conversation. I guess

it can be too convicting. Praise God and pray for Adam in that he's provided a forum

Where respectful free speech is tolerated. I suspect that's his way of giving it to liberals.

That having been said, I too have wondered about a spiritual forum here, though

clearly different reasons. But in the end it would be," hijacked", and completely assaulted

by Dragon and likeminded people. It's not that they want religious speech corralled,

they want it eliminated altogether. Though they would never admit it.

I've been praying about this very subject and have decided to start a continuous thread

Like. ...,"IT'S TIME FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT", with Adams permission. If he doesn't

have a problem with it the thread will be called,

LETTERS TO MY FATHER.

The intent of this thread is to post Holy Spirit inspired thoughts that I have in an effort

Of edifying other Christians. Something akin to my prayer life. I promise that I myself

will NOT allow anyone to cause me to behave in any way less than Christian like manner.

And I pray, if this is permitted, that everyone here will agree to behave themselves in like

manner.

Adam, Sir, please consider this my request for your permission to begin such a thread.

Thank you very much.

Scotty

[Tripphood]

DV is a unique site because of the fact that we can discuss not only Dinar but also other happenings in our world and yes, that includes religion. If you don't like what we've got here then go somewhere else. Their are other sites out there that are VERY strict about what is posted.......as in must stay on topic. I can't give you the name but it sound that it'd be right up your alley.

Personally, I like the diversity that we get here at DV. So sorry that my Jesus offends you.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Tripphood

[Saint]

LGD I agree with your topic request. There would be no question as to it's purpose and to those who opose discussing religious matter could simply bypass the thread. JMHO. 

[Jaxinjersey]

I thought this was likely to be the response from some. I thought it was worth a try. A couple of you mentioned that I have been involved in some of the threads that end up hijacked. I freely admit that and in the thread where I first brought it up, apologized for doing so. I don't find Christianity offensive. I find the complete hijacking of threads away from the original topics to be offensive. Recently, religion is the topic which seems to cause most of the hijacking.

Nelg, the stop reading tactic was working fine for quite awhile. The problem is that the threads are being hijacked, reoriented to the original topic and then hijacked again. I was missing pieces and ideas by just stopping reading when a hijacked started. Not to mention that some of the worst hijackers are also solid contributors to the forum. The ignore list for these people isn't practical and would make reading here almost worthless. I typically enjoy your posts, long or not, and read the vast majority.

Goldie, thank you for the compliment. I have tried very hard to keep my personal bias out of posts on religion here. I am glad I succeeded. As for being a shite stirrer, maybe it seems that way. I have a habit of making statements that cause debate. Unfortunately, my life away from the computer often causes me to be unable to post for blcks of time and the debate has moved on when I get back.

Bamagirl, I don't want to eliminate all discussion of religion. As you point out, that is impractical. I am just suggesting that there be a place for some of the religious debate which is currently hijacking threads. Right now, if an issue opens up a religious debate like the recent one about peaceful Muslims, there really isn't another place for that to be debated. Off topic would be about the only option. I don't want to eliminate the ability to discuss such things. I just would like to see it moved out of the news forum.

Markinska, thank you for the clarification.

Djorgie, I don't want to eliminate it. I just want to not be wading through it to get the news. If I have 15 minutes to read news, I don't want to spend 10 of it on religious stuff.

It would appear this isn't a viable option. I thought I would pose it. Thank you for the feedback each of you.

Dragon... with all due respect... there really is no such thing as "hijacking" a thread.   Everyone's thought processing is a bit different... and as others have pointed out, often it can't be separated.  You can't expect to stifle the freedom of expression in life's issues, including religion and politics... they are intertwined for most.   So... we attempt to let the "free market" of ideas and expression simply go where it goes... and we choose what and how to participate in it!

 

Once people "get over" this fabricated notion of "highjacking"... the easier it will be to deal with any frustration that may intrude in the normal course of discussions... about anything!   That's life... 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

LGD I agree with your topic request. There would be no question as to it's purpose and to those who opose discussing religious matter could simply bypass the thread. JMHO. 

Thank you Saint. As a staff member, may I assume that Adam would not have any

problem also?

I only ask because it's his house and I feel it's appropriate to get permission before

starting what I pray will be an intensely spiritual topic.

[Saint]

Posted Today, 06:14 AM

Saint, on 31 Jul 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

LGD I agree with your topic request. There would be no question as to it's purpose and to those who opose discussing religious matter could simply bypass the thread. JMHO. 

Thank you Saint. As a staff member, may I assume that Adam would not have any

problem also?

I only ask because it's his house and I feel it's appropriate to get permission before

starting what I pray will be an intensely spiritual topic.

 

 

SUDDENLY

 

 

LGD I asked to see if it would be permissible for you to start a new thread.  I'm awaiting a response.

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Posted Today, 06:14 AM

Saint, on 31 Jul 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

Thank you Saint. As a staff member, may I assume that Adam would not have any

problem also?

I only ask because it's his house and I feel it's appropriate to get permission before

starting what I pray will be an intensely spiritual topic.

 

 

SUDDENLY

 

 

LGD I asked to see if it would be permissible for you to start a new thread.  I'm awaiting a response.

Thanks very much. I look forward too the answer.

[DWitte]

I actually hope lgd gets his wish this time.  This way he can spend more time telling his fellow Christians who disagree with him they are going to hell and we won't have to see it so it much elsewhere.  Best wishes lgd.

[Heavyduty053]

Hey guys it is true this is a dinar site and we are all a part of that family waiting for that coming moment. But the Off Topics forum is where as Adam put it....anything goes....but keep it respectful. Now last time I looked it is just what it says.  This has been brought up time and time again from people who do not care to see anything but Dinar news and especially not Christian content. Hey once again you can look the other way, look at the title and move on to another subject if it does not set well with you, but may I remind you that dinar was used in the old testament.

[Markinsa]

Personally, I'd rather not have a Christian Thread, then some people would expect me to contain my perspectives in that thread... Well that ain't happening.

 

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[pattyangel]

LDG, I know you mean well with your suggestions of "Holy Spirit," thoughts to be shared with others, in fact it is a wonderful ideal.   But I will agree to your suggestion as long as it does not interfere with my posting on any other thread when the word of God is called for. 

 

This is a thin line you travel... in giving up our religious freedom, freedom of speech and placing it in a separate thread.  This is what the evil one would want, for us to be contained.  I would leave well enough alone, its working fine.   I hope you understand where I'm coming from.  JMO

 

Mark you beat me to it.  Nice to know I'm not alone. 

Edited August 1, 2014 by pattyangel

[MyLadiesDaddy]

I am not asking to corral all religious speech in a single thread, not at all. And I think

this discussion is good, because if Adam gives permission the parameters of the

thread will have clearly been set. I personally couldn't keep what Jesus is doing in

me contained in one website, let a lone one thread. Allow me, if you will, to present

An example. ........

"Holy Father, blessed are you and blessed are my ways in your love. You have taken

one simple request and completely, one little cry from your child, and completely

changed who I am.," Father make me the person you want me to be". "Father, help me".

I cried out in my desperation, and you silently reached down and began your holy

work. My eyes were only upon me and you gently placed them upon others. Deep

inside me you've created a burning desire to draw nearer to you every day. To love you

I must love others. Especially those who hate me. That is simply being exactly like

you, father. For all children learn by what they see, and not by what is spoken. I will

Praise your Holy name from the mountain tops, because what you have given me

cannot be contained".

I hope this helps everyone to understand my request. What's written cannot be received

well in just any thread. It simply wouldn't fit. However, it's my belief that as a stand alone

thread, " Letters to My Father", I can share the awesomeness of how God is changing

me. And that in sharing others will be greatly blessed. And hopefully draw nearer to

God themselves.

I love you all, brothers and sisters. Especially those who hate me. I love you.

[Maggie123]

Personally, I'd rather not have a Christian Thread, then some people would expect me to contain my perspectives in that thread... Well that ain't happening.

 

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I am not understanding what the big deal is about starting a "Christian Thread".

 

There have been many started here without anyone having to ask for special permission...

 

For example the wonderful "Discussion Of Faith" thread that is pinned in the off topics forum.

 

Those threads haven't changed a thing in regard to the rest of the site and people speaking freely.

[Goldiegirl]

Maggie, because it touches people to the core and it starts fights and we have enough going on right now without enticing anyone to challenge someone's thoughts. JMO...!!!

Edited August 1, 2014 by Goldiegirl