Tlar - People With IQD At Banks (B of A) Waiting On Funding Of $3 To $4 !

[DinarThug]

CNN. Broadcasting BS - Bank Stories !

 

 

 

DreamWeaver:   Tlar, thanks for posting this as separate thread, open to discussion.

"At a dollar the three zeros are gone just as they are at any number greater than a dollar. So deleting the zeros does not describe nor give us really a clue as to what the rate is or if it is over a dollar. "

I, too, have been a big proponent of  "delete the zeros" as an event, yet always wondered how they would get it from .86 to $1.00 if delete the zeros only pertained to a specific rate of .00086 becoming .86. My belief is that the RV will be at .86 and then quickly be set at 1.00.

Your comments opened up a new avenue of thought, which was not only insightful but intriguing in view of my beliefs about delete the zeros.  Initially, when reading your post, I thought your belief that they could delete the zeros and still have an initial rate of 3.50+ may be accurate.
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  Especially considering that your perception that "delete the zeros" may not be about the .86 rate (= 1.16 dinars per dollar.)  It could very well mean any initial rate at or higher than $1.00 -- as 1.00 mark is when three leading zeros disappear.

Okay.  Happy thoughts.  But then, having the mind I do, I quickly remembered what so adamantly enforced my belief that the initial RV rate will be .86.  Tlar, it was from the budgets.

So, here's the question:

Why would they post a rate (1.16 dinars per dollar) in four budgets (2013-2016) if the rate was not going to initially start at .86, which is .00086 minus the three leading zeros?

Although I've never waivered in my belief that the RV would occur through delete the zeros event, it was the rate actually being in the budgets that solidified my belief that the initial RV rate would be .86 and quickly move to $1.00 or over.

Tlar, how do you reconcile those articles and budgets revealing .86 (1.16 dinars per dollar) with rate over 3.50?

Very interesting thoughts you've posed, Tlar.  You never cease to amaze those of us who are also trying to connect the dots to all the pieces in this puzzle.

 But this just doesn't connect for me personally without knowing what you know that makes you believe it will be $3.50, as I've never seen any articles about that type of rate. 

So, I can't shift my belief as there is no foundation upon which to build it.  Not asking you to share before you are ready.     And certainly not challenging you.  But just sharing with you that though I respect you a lot and value you as a person, the concept of a "delete the zero" event with a $3.50 rate does not connect to the puzzle I've built over here.  

Look forward to your thoughts .. as always.    Best, DW.

Dreamweaver -  "Why would they post a rate (1.16 dinars per dollar) in four budgets (2013-2016) if the rate was not going to initially start at .86, which is .00086 minus the three leading zeros?"

Tlar -  Dream, it was three budgets, 2014, 15 and 16. I wish I could give you a logical answer to that question that would make sense, but I can't.  I have always thought it would be 1.16 or .86 cents. 

I am as baffled as you are to you are because it is much higher than I have ever thought.  I even went through the thinking process of how they could justify the 86 cents. 

But I have now heard from too many people with dinars at banks waiting on being funded between $3.00 to $4.00 and one person on my email list personally knows the guy who will sign off on the buy from B of A once they get the ok from the Treasury.

Yesterday another person, a twenty year friend, on my list called me.   He was having a lunch with a business associate and they started talking dinars for the very first time.  My friend is a retired CFO of a company here in Dallas. 

His friend, another accountant type, told him he was in a group that had deposited their dinars (over a billion) with another major bank and was expecting to be cashed out today at $3.71.

 I personally talked to the guy and he was no starry eyed dummy.   So I called my contact who would not give me the rate but said he knew the rate.  I told him it was $3.71 and he asked me who it was I heard that from.  

He was thinking it had to have come from someone in his group and he thought he might know him.  He was absolutely astonished that I knew the rate but he confirmed it, $3.71.  He told me that was the planned rate.

So putting everything together I have come to two conclusions.  These banks stories we have been hearing for a while about group buys like Shanny and friends of mine and some on my emails recipients probably have some substance to them. 

But the fact that most are reporting that the bank is offering between 3 and 4 bucks with no guarantees as to fees or costs, and people can't wait to jump in.  It makes sense to me because it removes those people from showing up at the bank with thousands of other people on d-day waiting to be cashed out. 

With a push of a button and a quick phone call, the buy is accomplished without a visit to the bank.  Plus there is no negotiation for the bank because everybody who has already pre-agreed to sell their dinar somewhere between 3 and 4 dollars and the bank can charge them full fees.

Most of these groups are a billion dinars or more and even at 3 bucks per dinar, fees of 5% or more is a boat load of money the bank will make on this.  I see them trying to lock in the business. 

I am convinced with the people I know who are participating that this is a real thing happening behind the scene, all across the country either being organized by the bank itself or the Treasury. 

It can no longer be kept quiet because it has taken so long people like me with loose lips are beginning to get the word out. 

This is a behind the scene deal done at a whole different level that the branches who most likely have no knowledge of it being done.  So don't walk in to a bank with this story or you will get a blank stare. 

If it was someone else telling me this story, I don't think I would believe it either.  So I understand everyone's skepticism.  No problem.  Consider this your 4 o'clock email unless someone does get bought out today.

 Then you won't miss what I have to say next.  I will scream it from the rooftops.   My expectations are that the actual buyout is not this Friday, but we are close.  tlar

DreamWeaver:   Tlar, I did see an article where 1.16 was posted in 2013 budget, as that is the article that led to my posts about the "caveat" placed in that budget along the lines that the Finance Committee or whomever wasn't going to be held responsible legally if rate wasn't 1.16 -- yet this caveat wasn't in other budgets.  Too long and not relevant to go into as you just blew my mind.

WOW.  Holy jumping Baghdad cows ... Now I understand why you have been so adamant.  I would be, too, Tlar.

Maybe, when they leaked that  Turki was doing RV in January, he changed the plan from .86 to 3.71.  That's the only thing that makes sense about the switch regarding delete zeros, etc. 

Also, I don't remember seeing any articles on delete the zeros recently ... past 4 or 5 months, so maybe there was a pow-wow with IMF or whomever and the plan changed early this year.

Tlar, I personally appreciate that you lost your contact a while back because of loyalty to fellow members on this site in sharing some of the info instead of keeping it hush hush.  Though you've been reticent about a lot, you've still managed to slip enough details that many of us have been intrigued by what has transpired in your posts.

Never been a bank cash in person ... but your posts verifies it is not myth at all and may soon be occurring.

Very much appreciate your post ... and that noise you hear in the background is me shreading all the "delete the zeros" articles.    Just kidding.  No shredding until RV day and then you will smell the burning motor of a mad shredder all the way to TX, my friend.  Blessings to you Tlar.

I feel confident to make my first prediction:  You are going to have a horse named after you by Blue if this plays out as you expect.  LOL.  Best ~ DW

BlueyesinLevis:     My friend who got me in.. has a lot of his IQD deposited, counted, verified by De La Rue machine.. and is waiting for the dang RV for his pre registered and verified account to be funded.

-I think it is a big gamble to do that.. but he did it. As a small timer.... I was not invited to join the group.

I dont know the ins and outs of it.. but I will verify that something is going on.. has been going on with the large groups for some time.

I have mentioned this before here.... but I prefer not to make it a big deal.. I am not part of it and I dont know much beyond what I just said.

-Much of it is simply dismissed as "Guru Nonsense".. but whatever is happening... something is happening...  my bud gets daily updates.... hints and clues... etc. He wont tell me much.. because that is part of the deal.

Personally.. I think he went from thinking it would be an early exchange.. to realizing that it is still contingent on the CBI lifting the rate first... and then they will be the FIRST to exchange. That is about how I look at it.

-Like I said.. I dont know what the heck is going on.. I am just waiting patiently for the CBI to pull the trigger. I am not focused on either a date or a rate.

It may be an oxymoron.. but Folks.. we are closer than ever before!  lol

[gymrat76541]

I wish it were true, I wish it were true, I wish!

[waterman13]

Go RV @ $3.33

Wm13

[ckriebs]

Go baby go

[Jim1cor13]

These type of things do not happen...he is lying. Reminds me of the Nortec fellow

who claimed similar things that were absurd...it DOES help IQD sales.

 

Funny how these statements recirculate over time, and it is also sad.

 

thanks thug for the info

[jeepguy]

this reads  like  a   lot of  {  upper  tier cash outs  , and  only those  with insider information  connected to any one  listening to  any of the  guru`s  about  cashing out at  3 and over }   it is  all  re-hashed  please stay  tuned to my  chats area  for  the  next clue  of  ---->  wait wait  don`t  tell me   

[chess]

Can't be a RV till Monday....BECAUSE it's always on a Monday!..............obviously

Edited July 26, 2014 by chess

[gakman]

Tlar……….. is a **iot

[WTX_Danny]

I read that. NOT.

[Rochester]

_{Tlar, whoever that is, sounds like a liar and blooming idiot here.}

[sandfly]

OK

[sportfisher]

Tlar has proven to be clueless in the numbers, if nothing else.

[KristiD]

I used to respect Tlar, but when he came out with his $3+ rate, I started to think he was just another shill, put into play by currency brokers.  He gains great credibility by following the news closely and logically connecting the dots - month after month.... never jumping on the hype bandwagon.  Then, after he's got you believing he knows his stuff, he starts to change.  Starts talking about the $3+ rate.  Now he's talking about first tier cash ins....  what a load of cr**!  I don't know how people like this justify doing the things they do.  But I take consolation in believing that when we all die, we will all be held accountable for everything we've done.  Scamming people is not something anyone can easily justify .  I can only hope that no one believed in him and spent their rent money on buying up more dinar.

 

From now on, I view Tlar as another Okie and I will no longer even bother to read anything by or about him. 

 

That said, hopefully we'll still get an RV soon, even though it's not unlikely to be over $3.....

[Dinarian64]

Im confused as to how this helps us... If they delete zeros and it goes to .86 then they raise it to 1.00 doesn't that mean a raise of .14 cents? Of course if it then goes to 3 we have $2.14 which is better than nothing... I guess I'm missing something?

[ckeyes06]

Yawn....

[lost one]

Believe what you want to believe., their is no right answer till it happens. All in all, I do believe their is a elite group that will get their share first. Remember, I don't think we as the average Joe were supposed to know. And I don't think we have much say or mean anything to them. So it makes no sense to try to make believe that we know how it will pan out. Deals are being made, some are losers and some are winners. We are the bottom feeders that get the scraps. Face it, at this point we just want it to RV. And still hope for the best.

[yendor]

How many of us here wouldn't do backflips if it RV'd at  $0.10 or even $0.086 ?  I'd take it just to see something or ANYTHING happening with this investment/speculation !

[DinarThug]

Here's A Tlar Chat With Articles From Today ...

 

 

 

The Crux Of The Argument On Biggest Block.

Tlar: Comment - it comes down to this.  Who's interpretation will the courts go with and what determines the biggest block.  Maliki's interpretation or the coalition (Jubuori). 

Jubouri says it is whoever has the most MP'S on the day they vote and Maliki  continues to  insist he won the election and they are the owners.  Let me simplify. 

Jubouri will win this argument in the court if they will hear the case and make a ruling and when they come to that conclusion through the courts, the coalition will by pass the SOL altogether. 
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  Tlar Continues:  The SOL as a political party will have committed suicide and will become irrelevant altogether maybe even no longer existing as a major party.  Constitutional interpretation will determine how this ends.  Very nice job Jubouri.   What a man.  What a Sunni.   tlar.

Open talks on forming government amid controversy determine the largest bloc

 7/26/2014 0:00

 President of the Republic was sworn Jubouri and adjournment of Parliament to August 5 next

 BAGHDAD - morning

 Coinciding with the election of the parliament yesterday in its first Thursday of Kurdish blocs candidate Mohammed Fuad Masum, President of the Republic (POR) and the swearing began talks on forming the next government amid controversy over naming the largest parliamentary bloc.

 The President of the Parliament (POP) decided to raise Salim al-fifth meeting of the Council to the fifth of August, which included the election of the next leader of the Kurdistan Alliance Fuad Masum, president of the Republic of Iraq by a majority vote of those present.

 After the end of the counting process announced Jubouri that the total number of voters was 269 votes, the right of which amounted to 228 false 41 votes, gaining Fuad Masum on 211 votes, while his rival, Hussein Musawi on 17 votes and thus announced Fuad Masum, president of the Republic of Iraq.

 The vote came on the infallible president of the republic after the withdrawal of his rivals, where he was declared MP for the rule of law Hanan al, which got 37 votes in the first round, withdrew from the competition,

"in deference to the desire of" the chairman and members of the National Alliance, and demanded that the candidate Fuad Masum "clear position" of the issues of unit Iraq, Kirkuk and oil.

The MP for the coalition of civil ultra-Sheikh Ali, withdrew his candidacy from the competition after receiving 10 votes in the first round, while the candidate Hussein Musawi appended after the results of the ballot on three votes.

As a result, parliament speaker Salim al not resolve the position of president of the republic not to get any of the candidates, totaling 93 candidates on a sufficient number of votes.

 Before the end of the session resulted in an elected president Fuad Masum sworn in before members of the House of Representatives and the President of the Federal Supreme Court, vowing to preserve the Constitution in all its provisions.

The request of the Presidency of the infallible Parliament speech laying out his approach to the presidency, which will take in the presence of security missions and major political and economic, "he said, adding that" Parliament Speaker Salim al showed his approval and will set a later date to give a speech the President of the Republic. "

 As a result, began talks on forming the next government amid controversy over naming the largest parliamentary bloc says the outskirts of the National Alliance, he points out, while the largest coalition of state law in the WIN coalition that he is such a bloc with the candidate through its adherence to the prime minister for a third term.

 And on media leaks on the determination of the largest parliamentary bloc .. denied judicial authority issued a new decision in this regard. Her spokesman said Judge Abdul Sattar Bayraktar in a press statement that "the Federal Supreme Court did not issue a new decision regarding the largest parliamentary bloc, only that which was released in the year 2010."

 The Federal Court has considered, after elections in 2010, the National Alliance, the largest bloc in the House of Representatives, which has allowed him to form the current government, headed by the leader of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki.

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XXXX:  The main blocs in the state decided to suspend the law Adventures Maliki

24-07-2014 12:31 PM

A source familiar with the three blocks constitute the greatest weight in the rule of law informed the National Coalition and the reference of Najaf, it will emerge from a coalition of state law to the National Alliance directly if the announcement Nuri al-Maliki said state law is the biggest bloc.

The source said Hadi al-Amiri, head of the Badr Organization, and Hussein al-Shahristani, the head of the independent and Khodair al head of the Dawa Party-Iraq Organization has determined once and for all stop the adventures of Nuri al-Maliki that no longer threaten national consensus and by and threaten consensus Shiite in the most dangerous moments of his need to compromise.

The source added that these leaders to respect the Declaration of the National Alliance, the Shiite statement delivered by Dr. Jaafari by about a month from now, the presence of al-Hakim and Khodair al Nouri al-Maliki himself, along with Hadi al-Ameri as the National Alliance is the largest bloc in parliament, which will form the next government

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luckylady:    Thanks tlar.  I thought the court had already ruled on the largest bloc issue??  I must be confused.

Risk:  Tlar, question sir.....Are you expecting this to go to the federal court?

Tlar:  Not sure yet if that will be necessary but it could come done to a legal definition.  Tlar

Mike:   If I may, hasn't the federal court already issued a statement declining to make a ruling because it was a non-issue with them?

 I've read articles that state Masoum has already received paperwork from Al-Jabouri indicating the NA is the largest bloc, not the SoL.

I don't think it even matters now, members of the Dawa, National and Badr are talking about leaving the SoL if Maliki is nominated, he's pretty much dead politicially.

The way I see it, we just need the process to unfold anIraqi president calls for the National Alliance to resolve their differences and nominate its candidate

Ralph:  BAGHDAD - Mazen owner met in an effort described by sources close to the rule of law to discuss the latest security and political situation in the country, at the time still assigned to the largest parliamentary bloc to be controversial within the corridors of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, after intercepting Jubouri desire infallible mandated by state law to nominate its candidate for prime minister the next.

Sources confirm Speaking «home» that al-Maliki is trying to clarify the differences within the National Alliance on the designation of the largest parliamentary bloc, stick to the decision of the Federal Court to describe the state of law bloc,

the largest in sticking Jubouri official letter conveyed to him by Dr. Ahmad Chalabi and Bayan Jabr two leading figures in the Iraqi National Coalition which bears the signatures of al-Maliki about the state of law and Jaafari block reform and Zia al-Asadi on the mass of the free and the Bayan Jabr block Allowatun and Hashim al-Hashimi of the Virtue Party,

 and directed to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives on June 23 last emphasizing the description of the National Alliance bloc, the largest parliamentary, who leaked to the sites of social networking.

The sources pointed out that the Islamic Dawa Party, led by al-Maliki has sent a delegation to congratulate President infallible, headed by leader Hassan Sinead, invited him through to commissioning Maliki to head the next government,

what was the President infallible only asked Sinead completion of the differences within the National Alliance on description ALKYLATION largest parliamentary and then understanding the assignment or other headed by al-Maliki government.

This comes at a time when a student representative of the Supreme religious authority in Karbala, Abdul Mahdi Karbalai, authored government «empowered to unite the national and ending the threat of partition», he said, during a Friday sermon, said that «the success of the House of Representatives in the election of the presidency,

 and the presidency during a period acceptable, step good, and must complete this step mother, the formation of the government during the constitutional period »,

 stressing that« the need for the next government are widely accepted to be able to overcome the challenges of the stage, and the fight against terrorism and avert the threat of partition ».

In turn, confirmed the MP for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan Leila disappeared, «that a coalition of state law right to nominate a person for the post of the next prime minister on the grounds that he received the largest number of seats in Parliament», noting that «the mass will support any figure chosen by the National Alliance for the post of prime minister Whether Nuri al-Maliki or any other ».

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 Maliki will be relegated to the sidelines, and not the next PM of Iraq.

Tlar:   Mike, It is not over until it is over meaning a new PM nominee that is acceptable to all.  This issue "largest block" is a contentious issue and I don't see it resolved yet until either the courts make a ruling or the SOL has enough defections come over to the coalition as to effectively change the dynamic within the NA to allow for the coalition to present its nominee. 

 That is why this may end up in the courts whether they like it or not.   I hope I am wrong but if the SOL has the legal right to call the nominee, this won't be over for months if this year at all. 

Ralph any article that states the Kurds are ok with Maliki being the PM nominee has to be a Maliki dictated article. 

I put that article right up there with Maliki's declaration, "the courts have ruled the SOL is the largest block".

We know he is an habitual liar along with being a thief, extortionist and murderer.  

I don't believe the Kurds would ever be ok with him nor would the Sunni's especially because of the extremes it has taken to get him in this position of losing.  They won't quit now until he is gone IMO. tlar

 

Buttercup:  Ok, I'm lost.  We always knew the SOL was clinging tightly to Maliki.  But I thought all along we were saying we weren't really concerned if the SOL put Maliki up for a vote because supposedly the minute they did, Maliki would just be shot down and on to the next candidate.

Luckylady:   tlar, I was really believeing we were over the hump, so to speak, and I pray we are but reading these words you wrote made my heart sink a bit:  "I hope I am wrong but if the SOL has the legal right to call the nominee, this won't be over for months if this year at all."

I will remain hopeful and try to concentrate on all of the positive steps accomplished so far.

As always, thank you for your contribution.  It is appreciated very much.
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Tlar:     What has changed?  Why is it all of a sudden a concern?  Please help me understand.  Thank you in advance.

What has changed it is become very apparent the SOL knows it cannot win but will drag this on and on if they can.  They coalition has to find a way around them, the SOL, getting control by being defined as the largest block.  That's exactly what they are doing in redefining the term "largest block".

In straight up politics this would not be a problem but because these guys have committed so many crimes they need to be protected from, this is not straight up politics anymore.

The SOL has committed political suicide and they don't give a damn about the people or the country.  They just let the power be turned over to anyone because they become immediately vulnerable to arrest. 

The SOL does not even want to see the process ever finish.  In their eyes this is a do or die as it is in Maliki's.  If they loose control of this argument, IMO the SOL leadership won't even show the day of the nomination. 

They will be on an airplane with Maliki to parts unknown making an appointment with their plastic surgeons.  tlar

Buttercup:  Thank you so very much, Tlar.  I appreciate the response.  However, please indulge me as I further show my complete cluelessness and ignorance here.

-Ok, using what you said, the SOL doesn't really want a "solution" they just want to muck up the works.  I get that.

But if no one falls for this snare to argue endlessly even taking it to the courts as to "whose got the biggest bloc" and instead they just say, Ok SOL, you have the biggest block -- now submit your candidate, and we'll vote up or down on him...Why is that not an easy solution?  That's what I'm not getting.

 Again, thank you.  And P.S.  After nearly 4 years of this "age-enhancing" journey, the SOL dudes aren't the only ones who'll be needing plastic surgery.   :roll: 

Mike:   Well, we've heard since April 30th that since Maliki's party won the most seats, he was the "winner" and would naturally be the next PM. He's lied and members of the SoL have misrepresented the truth way before Parliament convened and began the process of forming the next GOI.

 This is just politics. Somehow, Iraq managed to elect a Speaker and President with no real troubles, and they followed the constitutional time lines as well.

I still have faith in the political system, mainly because they're supported by the US, UN, EU and Sistani. Maliki doesn't have the luxury of time, like he did in 2010, ISIL is tearing up the west and will continue until he's gone.

I would expect more, and worse, before the August 5th deadline, some members of the SoL and Maliki are clinging to the survival of a third term.

Not all of the SoL are committing political suicide, members of the Dawa, National and Badr group have openly expresessed their support for an alternative to Maliki, largely because of Sistani's position.

 Until the Federal Court reverses it's decision of not getting involved, this is much ado about nothing. Maliki can rant and stomp his feet, but the process will remove him.

HandOverFist:   Mike,  How long will it take for the process to remove Maliki?  Is there any kind of deadline?

Mike:   HoF, I really believe that the NA will assert themselves no later than the 5th of August. The whole world is watching, the NA cannot continue to appear ineffectual forever.’

 Their weakness is empowering ISIL on a daily basis. Maliki cannot provide security to the country, he's lost the will of the people. I would think that the NA realizes that they need to complete their "mechanisms for nomination" and get someone front and center quick.

 I don't have a lot of hope that they'll get it done before the 5th, but you never know. Bottom line, Maliki's SoL is not the largest bloc and the courts have already reviewed the request from the SoL with no adverse ruling. I don't believe that Maliki will get the nomination, even if he does, Parliament will not give him a vote of confidence.

Jackt:    We've read recent articles that some British expert's have been there coaching the Iraqi parliament leadership in the proper political maneuvers to make since both countries share the same parliamentary system. It appears things are smoothly moving along as planned. I'm still feeling very positive about the outcome...

Tlar:    luckylady, We are IMO and thats why what they are settling now.  Jubouri has just declared the NA is the" largest block" by constituional authority, not the SOL..  

That means all of the 178 members of the NA will vote together to pick the PM nominee.  Now we are off to the races with the coalition picking off members of the SOL to vote with them before it is brought to the floor for a vote. 

The coalittion will come out ahead on this because they are in locked step whereas the SOL can't keep their members together.  Many in the SOL membership does't want Maliki either. 

All the coalition needs to bring this to a vote on the floor is 10-15 meembers of the SOL to vote with them.  Once they are assured they have them we should see a vote. 

That way the coalition will control the outcome.  The NA, controlled by the coalition, will choose the new PM nominee. IMO this won't take but a few days.  SOL - zzzzzzzzz  tlar

Rocko:  Buttercup, It's not a easy solution because if they vote Maliki down the SOL can put another guy up who will lose. They theoretically can do this 95 times or however members of the SOL there are.

That's why the coalition is trying to get defectors to join the coalition. If they can get enough to swing the vote then the coaliton puts up the nominee and that candidate will win the PM being backed by the Kurds and Turken.

 As Mike has stated, there are three blocks in the SOL that are opposed to Maliki. If they defect, then the coalition will have enough votes to over rule the SOL and appoint a non Maliki candidate. I hope this helps.

Candy:  Tlar,  What do you think are the ODDS of this going thru the COURTS??!!  Hopefully VERY LOW!! Thanks!

[DinarThug]

And Here's An Additional One ...

 

 

 

 

Tlar 7-26-14 Update Email To Family & Friends

Tlar Comment - Here is where we are.

We have a new (POP) President of Parliament - (Jubouri - a Sunni who has proven to be not only effective right out of the shoot but an excellent parliamentarian)

We have a new (POR) President of Iraq - (Masum - a Kurd with a great background that is to extensive to list in one sentence. So hear is a little about him,

And Mohammed Fuad Masum, Khadr was born in Koya in 1938, a leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), led by former President Jalal Talabani, is married and has five daughters, was educated in Al-Azhar University in Cairo, and received a doctorate degree,
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  including in Islamic philosophy in 1975, a former professor at the College of Arts at the University of Basra, a lecturer at the Faculty of Law and the Faculty of Education at the University of Basra, too.

And infallible first prime minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq in the early nineties, and the first president of the National Council of Iraq after the fall of the former regime,

and the Chairman of the Board in writing the Iraqi constitution in its infancy, and one of the founders of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) in 1975,

and has long experience in the field of political, social and cultural, a companion trail Jalal Talabani and very close to the political approach in dealing with the neutral position and all the Iraqi parties.

To finish this we yet need a PM.

Turki told us that he wanted to see the government situation settled. Here is his exact words: "The central bank will proceed without hesitation to apply the project raise zeros from the local currency in case settled political and economic situation of the country. "

The above is what we know has happened, so what’s  happening next?

Jubouri has scheduled the next parliament to convene on August 5th because they have to sort out a problem.

The SOL has not negotiated in good faith and wants to nominate either Maliki or a puppet of his even though they know he can't win.

We know Maum will call the largest block to name their nominee. Jubouri is setting the SOL up to fail.

Maliki went to the courts day before yesterday to have them rule and declare the SOL as the largest block which would give Maliki the legal right to drag this on and on as the SOL would endlessly be putting up one PM after another and then another long period of time before that PM introduced his COM only to be voted down.

The SOL could have introduced one nominee every 15 days forever because they have 95 MP's.

He did this because he knows that the definition of "largest block" is the key to solving the last part of the puzzle to get an acceptable PM nominee that everyone can feel good about

and he was trying to make sure that the control was in his hands and he could block any attempt for the coalition to present a nominee.

The courts would not rule on this matter and even though Maliki lied, claiming they had already done so, telling parliament the SOL was the largest block.

The courts who have over the last month consistently ruled against Maliki, put out an article immediately denying they had even ruled on it.

Jubouri gave a speech claiming that the definition of the largest block is the group that has the most MP'S. By this definition that group would be the coalition having over 200 MP'S consisting of Shia, Sunni's, Kurds and Turkmen.

Another approach by the coalition is to just destroy the SOL by a process of stealing their members that also don't want Maliki. 3 of the blocks in the SOL have shown a great interest in leaving the SOL because the leadership continues to insist on Maliki and they are not Maliki supporters.

There is a total of 178 MP's in the National Alliance and by definition they could be the largest block, Not the SOL. 95 of those are listed as SOL guys with the balance 83 being coalition.

 It would only take 10 MP defectors from the SOL to undermine the SOL block and change the dynamics.

Their has been a few articles showing that the coalition is already working both plans and Jubouri is redefing "the largest block."

The easy way would be to pull defectors. The other way using parliament itself might require a legal ruling.

As soon as this is sorted out which should be in the next few days, it is expected that Jubouri will quickly re-assemble parliament and the process to nominate a non sectarian acceptable PM will be finished in one day.

 Maliki will be officially out of a job. Either way it is my belief that this will be done before the scheduled date of the 5th of August for parliament to reconvene.

I am unsure yet of the outcome or which way will win out, but that's the hold up.

 How they decide what constitutes the "largest block" is the most important thing yet to be overcome but I am sure it will come out right.. Here are a few articles on this situation and I have included a writeup I did on this two days ago. Tlar

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 Three important blocks to leave Al-Maliki's coalition if he insisted that the largest bloc

 7/24/2014

-An informed source said that three blocks a larger weight in the State of law Coalition informed the national reference of Najaf as they emerge from the State of law Coalition to immediately be declared National Alliance Nuri al-Maliki's State of law is the largest bloc.

-The source said Hadi al-Ameri, head of the Badr organization, Hussain Al-Shahristani, Chairman of the independent Al-khudhair block President Dawa Iraq organization resolved to stop the adventures of Nouri al-Maliki that no longer threaten national consensus but unanimously in most serious threatening moments need compatibility.

-They said these leaders respect the declaration statement, the Shiite National Alliance Dr. Jaafari's speech before about a month from now in the presence of Mr. Ammar al-Hakim Al-khudhair and Nouri al-Maliki himself along with Hadi Ameri as the national coalition is the largest bloc in the Parliament, which will form the next Government

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 Tlar Comment - it comes down to this. Who's interpretation will the courts go with and what determines the biggest block. Maliki's interpretation, or the coalition (Jubuori).

Jubouri says it is whoever has the most MP'S on the day they vote and Maliki comtinues to insist he won the election and they are the owners. Let me simplify.

Jubouri will win this argument in the court if they will hear the case and make a ruling and when they come to that conclusion through the courts, the coalition will by pass the SOL altogether.

The SOL as a political party will have committed suicide and will become irellevant altogether maybe even no lionger existing as a major party.

 Constitutional interpretation will determine how this ends. Very nice job Jubouri. What a man. What a Sunni. tlar.

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Open talks on forming government amid controversy determine the largest bloc

 7/26/2014 0:00

 President of the Republic was sworn Jubouri and adjournment of Parliament to August 5 next

 BAGHDAD - morning

Coinciding with the election of the parliament yesterday in its first Thursday of Kurdish blocs candidate Mohammed Fuad Masum, President of the Republic and the swearing began talks on forming the next government amid controversy over naming the largest parliamentary bloc.

The President of the Parliament decided to raise Salim al-fifth meeting of the Council to the fifth of August, which included the election of the next leader of the Kurdistan Alliance Fuad Masum, president of the Republic of Iraq by a majority vote of those present.

After the end of the counting process announced Jubouri that the total number of voters was 269 votes, the right of which amounted to 228 false 41 votes, gaining Fuad Masum on 211 votes, while his rival, Hussein Musawi on 17 votes and thus announced Fuad Masum, president of the Republic of Iraq.

The vote came on the infallible president of the republic after the withdrawal of his rivals, where he was declared MP for the rule of law Hanan al, which got 37 votes in the first round, withdrew from the competition,

"in deference to the desire of" the chairman and members of the National Alliance, and demanded that the candidate Fuad Masum "clear position" of the issues of unit Iraq, Kirkuk and oil.

The MP for the coalition of civil ultra-Sheikh Ali, withdrew his candidacy from the competition after receiving 10 votes in the first round, while the candidate Hussein Musawi appended after the results of the ballot on three votes.

As a result, parliament speaker Salim al not resolve the position of president of the republic not to get any of the candidates, totaling 93 candidates on a sufficient number of votes.

Before the end of the session resulted in an elected president Fuad Masum sworn in before members of the House of Representatives and the President of the Federal Supreme Court, vowing to preserve the Constitution in all its provisions.

The request of the Presidency of the infallible Parliament speech laying out his approach to the presidency, which will take in the presence of security missions and major political and economic,

"he said, adding that" Parliament Speaker Salim al showed his approval and will set a later date to give a speech the President of the Republic. "

As a result, began talks on forming the next government amid controversy over naming the largest parliamentary bloc says the outskirts of the National Alliance,

he points out, while the largest coalition of state law in the WIN coalition that he is such a bloc with the candidate through its adherence to the prime minister for a third term.

And on media leaks on the determination of the largest parliamentary bloc .. denied judicial authority issued a new decision in this regard. Her spokesman said Judge Abdul Sattar Bayraktar in a press statement that "the Federal Supreme Court did not issue a new decision regarding the largest parliamentary bloc, only that which was released in the year 2010."

 The Federal Court has considered, after elections in 2010, the National Alliance, the largest bloc in the House of Representatives, which has allowed him to form the current government, headed by the leader of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki.

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 Hakim: attention directed to the National Alliance to present a candidate for prime minister widely accepted     July 25, 2014   BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))

The head of the Supreme Council Ammar al-Hakim, "The eyes are on now to the National Alliance to seal his options and offers a candidate widely accepted by the Iraqi people, and reaffirms its commitment to the directives and recommendations of the supreme religious authority."

-He said in his speech Balahtphalah held by his office in Baghdad Day International Jerusalem "That means completing the steps to build the political process successful reassuring that will result from the team work efficiently harmonious holds a vision and a project and a clear program in the state administration,"

pointing out that "adherence to these recommendations will be an important input to succeed to seeing political stability and security stability followed a unified position in the face of terrorism that has ravaged the country. "

-Hakim and feet, according to a statement of the Supreme Council, thanks and appreciation to the Vice-presidential candidates who withdrew their candidacy,

 pointing out that this indicates a great sense of responsibility for their contribution to the concentration of efforts and facilitate the process of election of the President of the Republic.

-He called on the international community and the Arab and Islamic world in the International Day of Jerusalem, to stop lining up with the rights of the Palestinian people and the victory of the right lost against injustice and arbitrariness of the Zionist military and Makinth brute.

 -He also called for a boycott of the Zionist entity, politically, economically and in other areas and the formation of strong pressure by the actor, as well as the freezing of relations and suspended.

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Tlar:   Let me try to clarify what I am saying. Jubouri just read the rules and determined the largest block is the NA of which everybody in the NA is a part of. The total block consists of 178 MP's.

 The SOL has 95 of those MP's the coalition has 83. But the blocks that are not SHIA, the Sunni's the Kurds and the Turkmen have the balance of the MP's out of 326 or they control 148 MP'S combined.

So the NA (Shia) is determined to be the largest block and it is the NA who has the right to nominate a PM, not just the SOL.

To pull this off the coalition Shia's must either get defectors from the SOL to align with them or they must get the SOL itself to nominate specific acceptable candidates such as Chalabi or Maudi.

To control the most votes they must get about 10 MP's away from the SOL to join with them which would give them 93 MP'S to the SOL's 85.

That would be enough to allow the coalition to make the nomination either by open vote or by secret ballot.

 The coalition can do neither at present because they would loose and the SOL would nominate Maliki.

The other way and the way they have attempted to do since the end of the elections is to convince the SOL that if they want to remain relavent, they should run Chalabi or Mahdi or both as the nominees acceptable to the Sunnis, Kurds and Turkemen and the Shia coalition.

 That way the NA would present a unified nominwee/nominees that everyone could vote yes to.

A real election. The SOL has stone walled as we know. They have waffled but they always come back to Maliki is our guy.

 This late in the game I believe the coalition strategy has now changed and they will take advantage of the cracks in the SOL and get a re-alignment of MP's to control this.

I believe the decision was made today to quit trying to convince the SOL leadership of anything and to just pick them apart asking defectors to join the coalition ranks to build a majority in the NA.

 That is the hold up. It will work but it will take a few days to maybe a week to be sure that they have the votes.

They have let the SOL know of this plan by earlier threatening to do this in an attempt to get them to come around, and that is why Maliki went to the judges to get a court order that the SOL was the largest block.

 It was his last attempt to thwart this move. We will just have to be patient but I believe their is enough desention in the SOL that it won't take long to pull the defectors over to the coalition. tlar

 KJWayne:  Thanks tlar . At least we know that things are still being done over there and NOT waiting for the 5th of August! POP and POR put thier heads together, use the constitution and snowball the SOL.  I like it. Go RV!!  P.S. any of you people that have an inside track to Randy, please see if HE will jump in here and say what he has to say.  Thank You.

Tlar:   UPDATE >>>  The NA has been  judged to be the "biigest block" meaning that it will come down to a vote and each of the 178 members will have a vote and can vote the way they want. 

The coalition is trying to get as many of the defector SOL guys to vote with them on who will be the nominee from the NA.  IMO with all the dissention in the SOL that should be done quickly.  I am keeping my fingers crossed.  tlar

DreamWeaver:      Keep thinking we're going to have a surprise Parl session next week and move this along.  Nothing says they have to wait until Aug. 5th. 

 Phillyman:   Tlar, one question.  I apologize if you covered this before.

The central bank will proceed without hesitation to apply the project raise zeros from the local currency in case settled political and economic situation of the country.

What is your understanding of the economic situation they may be looking for?  I have heard some say that certain laws need to be put into effect before an RV, banking laws being one aspect.  Appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Rileysetter:         Please correct me if I am wrong:   I want to make sure I understand the process:  The Kurds had a vote on their two nominees for President.  The one who won that vote went on to be elected President by the full Parliament.

The NA will now do the same thing for the PM position.  If all 90 of the SOL members of the NA vote for Maliki, then Maliki will be presented as their PM nominee to the full Parliament.

However, it is very unlikely that Maliki will get the votes necessary from the enitire Parliament to retain the PM position.  So I am not too worried even if he is the NA nominee for PM.

What does concern me is that If the NA is unable to get defections so that a non-Maliki is voted on to be the PM nominee...then this process could drag on for quite awhile.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered.

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Tlar:    Thank you KUANYIN.  I was very hopeful that I would only have to put out the last two emails after Jubouri became the POP. 

This has dragged on a little longer than anybody had hoped it would due to the SOL. 

It is going great but it has been complicated by the fact the SOL is still clinging to Maliki even though they know Maliki is unelectable, creating necessary steps and strategies along the way by Jubouri that have taken a little longer than it should have. 

In a parliamentary system, if a party knows they have a candidate that can't form a political majority, they normally back out or change horses. 
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  Tlar Continues:  The SOL leadership has done neither which tells me they are so deep in crimes they can't under any circumstance do anything more than continue to attempt to stall the process pushing all dates, the RV included back about a week. 

They can't let the process continue until it is finished or they lose power and stand to face the music for their crimes.  It is not love of Maliki they are doing this I assure you.  It is to save their own butts.

 It has required some fancy footwork by Jubouri to get this far but he has just supplied the winning piece to the coalition.. 

Thank god he seems to be smarter than the SOL leadership and Maliki himself when it comes to parliamentary procedure.

 It is my belief had Nujaifi been re-elected we would have been waiting months just to get as far as we are. Because of Jubouri wee are now looking at completed government only days from now.  Hats off to Jubouri.   Tlar

BlueyesinLevis:    Maliki Jabouri: If I challenge al-Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in Parliament      July 26, 2014  BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))

A source close to the Parliament Speaker Salim al-Maliki told him if he defies Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in parliament.

-The source told ((eighth day)) that al-Maliki met with al-Jubouri morning at the parliament building and told him that he defies Jaafari if announced that the National Alliance is the largest bloc in parliament, adding that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament and the President of the Republic Fuad Masum, the assigned to form the next government

- The source added that al-Maliki also stressed that the paper bearing his signature and prove that the National Alliance is the largest bloc is worthless paper

The State of Law coalition has announced that that the Federal Court acknowledged that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament, which was denied by the spokesman of the court Abdul Sattar Bayraktar, stressing that the Federal Court did not issue such a statement.

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-- largest bloc in Parliament

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BlueyesinLevis:   This is what al-Maliki request of the President of the Republic of Iraq

[This is what al-Maliki request of the President of the Republic of Iraq ...    15:06   26/07/2014

-Summoned outgoing Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki after breakfast on Friday Chairman of the Federal Court Medhat al-Mahmoud and his two deputies and asked them to find a way out fast and urgently to ensure the third term to him after the issuance of a permit serious and important reference includes clearly a warning to owners through its call to politicians for not adhering to positions.

-According to informed sources, has told al-Maliki, Medhat al-Mahmoud possibility that this statement reference Introduction to issue a fatwa to prevent al-Maliki of the third term.

-The between-Mahmoud, the absence of any legal way out of this thing, but only one case which the president-elect Fuad Masum, commissioned by al-Maliki to form a government as the largest bloc of state law.

-And afterwards contact Maliki the president Fuad Masum, asking him to issue an order of reference, but the infallible apologized for that, but after returning to the political authorities and waiting in whether there is a new political alliances.

-Masum said he could not issue a mandate until after the end of the holiday, what irritated Maliki, who said that he is not for what became the president of the republic and the credit goes to him, Barham Salih, the exclusion from the competition for the presidency.

-Having despaired of Maliki infallible, face a stern talk to Medhat al-Mahmoud and his two deputies and asked them to find a way out fast and urgently to cut the road to reference issued a fatwa, or public statement precludes obtaining the third term, according to sources.

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BlueyesinLevis    Tobyboy wrote:   -The way I read this he is asking Mahmoud to find quickly a way to present him & his State of Law as the governing body for Prime Minister to insure his 3rd term.

 believe that Mahmoud says only legal way is for the new President to declare Maliki as the new PM.

He is pi$ed that Masum won't comment to anyone until after Eid because he the reason he obtained the Iraq president of republic.

So Maliki needs do this quickly before anyone else tries take the PM position. of any public statement. I also believe he wants do this before any statements come from the religlious leader. ~ TB

Moonman1963:               7-26-14 Reuters: Iraq's most influential Shiite cleric urged political leaders on Friday to refrain from clinging to their posts - an apparent reference to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who has defied demands that he step aside.

Speaking through an aide who delivered a sermon after Friday prayers in the holy city of Karbala, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani said leaders should show flexibility so that political deadlocks could be broken and Iraq could confront an insurgency.

Maliki has come under mounting pressure since Sunni militants led by the hardline Islamic State swept across northern Iraq last month and seized vast swathes of territory, posing the biggest challenge to Maliki's Shi'ite-led government since U.S. forces withdrew in 2011.

Critics say Maliki is a divisive figure whose alienation of Sunnis has fueled sectarian hatred and played into the hands of the insurgents, who have reached to within 70 km (45 miles) of the capital Baghdad.

Sistani said it is time for politicians to think of Iraq's interests, not their own. "The sensitivity of this phase necessitates that all the parties concerned should have a spirit of national responsibility that requires the practice of the principle of sacrifice and self-denial and not to cling to positions and posts."

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BlueyesinLevis:   Reform Movement confirms that the National Alliance still refuses to Maliki's nomination for a third term

-Members of the National Alliance, during a regular meeting    26/07/2014 12:33

-Tomorrow's Press / Baghdad: spokesman the National Reform Movement MP Ahmad Jamal, Saturday, that the National Alliance is still rejects the nomination of Nuri al-Maliki for prime minister a third term, pointing out that the coalition will present its candidate for the job within 15 days and will invest the holiday to discuss and intensify dialogues to settle the matter .

-Said Jamal's "Tomorrow's Press", "The components of the National Alliance unresolved after its candidate for prime minister and still the old problems exist on the nomination of Nuri al-Maliki for this position," noting that "the State of Law insists on its candidate Maliki for prime minister on the other hand there is opposition within the components of the alliance National Maliki other person. "

-He added that "the National Alliance is committed to Palmdd on resolving the issue of constitutional government, especially as he is interested in its formation and will present its candidate for prime minister during the first 15 days less than this period and will invest the holiday to discuss and intensify dialogues to resolve the matter."

-A spokesman for the Reform Movement, which is headed by the President of the National Alliance, Ibrahim al-Jaafari that "religious reference in his Friday sermon stressed and stressed the importance of not cling to power and attention and to provide for the interest of the country and the people on the personal political interests," adding that "the call reference will be reflected positively on the National Alliance to choose Candidate for the post of prime minister. "

-Referred to the National Alliance agreed definitively to be the prime ministerial candidate of a coalition of state law now that he is different from the candidate for the job.

-The president of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki, new in (the fourth of July 2014 Current) adherence to run for third term, amid worsening opposition to the majority of political forces Therefore, most notably the Sadrists, and a coalition of citizens, and the Kurdistan Alliance and the Union of the national forces, as well as a coalition of national led by Iyad Allawi.

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 Aaanth:   he sounds more and more desperate.  man, even his pocket judge told him to go begging.  so, from what i read hear, there will be a new PM before the end of the holiday??  is that right?  anyone?

--there is no higher reality than the truth...

Aaanth:  '... So Maliki needs do this quickly before anyone else tries take the PM position. of any public statement.'

Can you tell me what this means?  who can just take the PM by a public statement?  obviously "public statement" means something more than what it means in our language anyone know what this is referring to?            there is no higher reality than the truth...

BlueyesinLevis: From reading Tlar and Country Gal and others.. I think if Joubari, Hakim, and the Coalition move soon.. they can pretty quickly declare a new PM... and the minute they do.. Maliki , as "Caretaker Prime Minister" is suddenly "retired".

-Interesting theory Country Gal had.. is that the new PoR, Masum, can simply call for a Vote of No Confidence in Maliki.. and he could be done away with  that way as well.

-Yeah.. Nouri is getting desperate... which is all because he so desperatly wants to remain in power.. when all he really has to do is fly off to Paraguay and go live in some dead escaped Nazi SS officer's old estate.

Tlar:     BlueyesinLevis, Interesting theory for sure but I don't think it holds water.  Maliki is an interim PM at this time ahead of a caretaker government.  I don't think they can call for a vote of no confidence. 

I could be wrong but I can't see how a head of a caretaker government can be held to the same accountability and standards as a PM.  

I am sure that there are legal issues involved and no doubt he would drag this into court on some grounds we don't know about. The time for that has passed.

 The best way is to quickly hold a vote before Maliki can confuse the issue by threatening to kill the judge or his family to make him put out a rule that Maliki's party is the biggest block and the only one with the right to choose the next government. 

That's more what I am afraid of because that would further delay and confuse this issue.  tlar

Rainbowrow:   since Jabouri has sent a formal letter to Masoom saying that the National Alliance is the largest block-seems as though they are on the way to a very quick vote IMO

Rjmo:   For the life of me... I cannot figure out why nobody has taken this S.O.B out!...   there must be some people willing to give up their own lives in an attempt.. I mean... that's how they roll over there... I'm not condoning it, nor am I against it.. I'm just saying... I don't get it...

Kathy:    It appears the President has already made his position clear.

 President of the Republic: the National Alliance is the largest bloc and not the rule of law

Agency eighth dayJuly 26, 2014    BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))

According to a source familiar with in Baghdad, on Saturday, that the President of the Republic, Fuad Masum, answer a request by Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki, provides for the declaration of state law, a number of the largest bloc in the House of Representatives, and has the right to form the next government.

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Tlar Updated Email To Family & Friends 7-27-14 Brought From Currency-Chatter

Tlar Comment - as I said yesterday the definition of what constitutes the largest block was at issue. It was important to make sure to the coalition that they define that as something other than the SOL.

Jubouri yesterday defined the largest block as the National Alliance effectively removing the power the SOL was trying to obtain through the courts by having them rule the SOL was the biggest block.

The National Alliance (Shia Party) consists primarily of two opposing groups, the coalition 83 MP'S and the SOL 95 MP'S. (State of Law)

The coalition wants Chalabi or Mahdi which are both acceptable to all Iraqi's and are non sectarian. The SOL leadership wants Maliki and has shown no interest in negotiating.
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  The NA ultimately will vote by secret ballot and if that vote were held today it appears by the numbers alone the SOL would win this vote and Maliki would be the nominee from the NA.

The problem for the SOL leadership is that they cannot count on their rank and file membership.

There is much dissension in their ranks with many outright saying they do not want Maliki whereas the coalition is in lock step and can count on all their members to vote for their nominee in locked step.

Yesterday three of the major components that make up the SOL announced that they were going to honor al-Sistani's call for no more Maliki and a change in government to an all inclusive government (see article below).

This puts them at odds with the leadership of the SOL and splinters their vote even more. It changes the dynamics of the vote leaning it in favor of the coalition.

The coalition need only get 15 MP's away from the SOL to vote with them, and this is over. If it were onlt 15 (I believe it will be much higher) the vote would end at coalition 98, SOL 80 and the coalition could then choose the nominee they want and take him to the floor in parliament.

This would effectively insure that the government is set with a non- Maliki government that is both acceptable to all and non sectarian.

It appears the coalition might have already acquired those defectors and are ready to go for a vote. (read article below).

If this is accurate and the coalition announces the candidate tomorrow that means they are assured of their numbers and ready to go. I think they will reconvene parliament before August 5th but that is for sure the outside date.

Things are moving very fast and things are not going Maliki's way. He is still fighting but becoming more irrelevant every day.

 Side prediction - Maliki and the leadership of the SOL will be on an airplane heading to parts unknown within an hour of the announcement from the NA of their new nominee. tlar

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Reform Movement: National Alliance will present its candidate for prime minister before the next session of Parliament

Author: ab Editor: br reporter: ms   27/07/2014 12:35

  Tomorrow's Press / Baghdad: MP for the National Reform Movement, crescent Sahlani, Sunday, that the National Alliance will present its candidate for prime minister before the date of the parliamentary session. said Sahlani for "tomorrow's Press," said that "negotiations on the nomination of the prime minister continues within the National Alliance to ask personal compatibility are admissibility by all the partners. "

  He stressed that "the coalition will present its candidate for the job before the date of the parliamentary session scheduled to be held in the fifth month of August next."

and stressed "the need to build a government in harmony in the coming period to counter the threat of terrorism and other security challenges facing the country since the period."

and decided to Iraqi Council of Representatives After the vote, the President of the Republic, on 24 of this month, to raise its fifth of next month.

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   July 27, 2014 at 7:31 AM

Tlar:  Again his signature means about as much as his word does, nothing. He was alphonsed into signing this by the coalition because he did not understand the full ramification of what he was signing and how it could be used against him to finish him off.

So now he says it means nothing just as he did with the Erbil agreement. He reminds me of a person trying to herd a bunch of cats. What a man. What a statesman. A true Shiite head. Or is that head Shiite? I never can get that right.. tlar

 Maliki Jabouri: If I challenge al-Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in Parliament

 July 26, 2014   BAGHDAD - ((eighth day))

A source close to the Parliament Speaker Salim al-Maliki told him if he defies Jaafari announced the National Alliance, the largest bloc in parliament.

 -The source told ((eighth day)) that al-Maliki met with al-Jubouri morning at the parliament building and told him that he defies Jaafari if announced that the National Alliance is the largest bloc in parliament, adding that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament and the President of the Republic Fuad Masum, the assigned to form the next government.

-The source added that al-Maliki also stressed that the paper bearing his signature and prove that the National Alliance is the largest bloc is worthless paper.

The State of Law coalition has announced that that the Federal Court acknowledged that a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in parliament, which was denied by the spokesman of the court Abdul Sattar Bayraktar, stressing that the Federal Court did not issue such a statement.

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Three important blocks to leave Al-Maliki's coalition if he insisted that the largest blo

 07/24/2014

-An informed source said that three blocks a larger weight in the State of law Coalition informed the national reference of Najaf as they emerge from the State of law Coalition to immediately be declared National Alliance Nuri al-Maliki's State of law is the largest bloc.

-The source said Hadi al-Ameri, head of the Badr organization, Hussain Al-Shahristani, Chairman of the independent Al-khudhair block President Dawa Iraq organization resolved to stop the adventures of Nouri al-Maliki that no longer threaten national consensus but unanimously in most serious threatening moments need compatibility.

-They said these leaders respect the declaration statement, the Shiite National Alliance Dr. Jaafari's speech before about a month from now in the presence of Mr. Ammar al-Hakim Al-khudhair and Nouri al-Maliki himself along with Hadi Ameri as the national coalition is the largest bloc in the Parliament, which will form the next Governmen  

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Here is a write up I did to help some to better understand the politics of this:

The NA (National  Alliance)  is the block that will get to bring forth a nominee for Parliament because it has been deemed the biggest block by Jubouri.

The NA has 178 members consisting of 83 coalition members and 95 SOL  (State of Law)  members. This is the division on paper.

The coalition consists of a few blocks that make it up including the liberals and the citizens. But the coalition will block vote when the time comes as one group meaning each member will vote for the same nominee.

The SOL has a few blocks in it totaling a combined 95 MP'S. Just looking at these numbers if the SOL were to get every member to vote th same nominee, Maliki would be that nominee because they have 95 MP'S while the coalition only has 83 MP's.

Each person in the NA will cast one vote meaning when the vote is held 178 people will independently cast a vote.

The problem for the SOL is they can't count on their rank and file to support a Maliki nomination to be nominee where as the coalition's 83 are assured to vote for their guy, either Chalabi or Mahdi.

If the coalition can convince 15 members of the SOL to vote for Mahdi or Chalabi then the vote would be 98 MP'S for the coalition Mahdi or Chalabi, and 80 SOL votes for Maliki.

 Maliki would lose and the nominee presented by the coalition, would be the nominee the NA presents to parliament.

There is 3 parties in the SOL that just yesterday said they would follow al-Sistani and not vote for Maliki.

If the coalition can pick off just 15 guys out of this group, its over for the SOL. I hope that helps. tlar