'Their God changes path of rockets in mid-air'

[Sentinel7]

'Their God changes path of rockets in mid-air' Terrorist said to marvel at Israel's supernatural protection

 

Published: 13 hours ago

Joe Kovacs

 

As Israel continues to deal with the threat of terrorist rockets flying through its skies, a recent newspaper headline trumpeted the possibility of supernatural protection.

“Their God changes the path of our rockets in mid-air, said a terrorist,” was the headline in the July 18 edition of the Jewish Telegraph.

It was a partial quote from Barbara Ordman, who lives in Ma’ale Adumim on the West Bank.

Her exact quotation was: “As one of the terrorists from Gaza was reported to say when asked why they couldn’t aim their rockets more effectively: “We do aim them, but their God changes their path in mid-air

Hamas rockets have kept Israel under siege in recent days.

She opened her piece by noting: “In October 1956, [israel's first Prime Minister] David Ben Gurion was interviewed by CBS. He stated: ‘In Israel, in order to be a realist, you must believe in miracles.’”

Ordman also noted religious texts, specifically the Jerusalem Talmud, teaches Israelis not to depend on miracles for survival.

“It argues that we must not desist from our obligations and must not wait for miraculous intervention from the Supernatural,” she writes.

After her mention of the divine diversion of enemy rockets, she said, “When our God is not busy doing that, He is ensuring that the high-tech brain power of our ‘start-up nation’ is working overtime to produce yet another Iron Dome battery to help protect our cities and us.”

The headline is now being shared worldwide on Facebook by “Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural” page, with thousands of likes and a variety of comments including:

• “Shalom to Israel and supernatural protection, thank you Jesus for releasing your warring angels to supernaturally protect and defend Israel in Jesus’ name … ” (Juliet M. Maeck)

• “Indeed, He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. Psalm 121:4″ (Danette Mallard)

• “The Muslims should also read about their future … in Psalm 83.” (Jimmie Vestal)

• “Anyone against Israel should just run the other way!” (Trace Remington)

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/their-god-changes-path-of-rockets-in-mid-air/#gws7IumedlpHXA7l.99

 

 

                                  No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

[Nadita]

Amen... Israel is God's chosen people and His eyes are on Israel.. I believe God sends His angels to protect Israel and to battle alongside them.  I can't remember the verse but it's something about the war and when their eyes were opened they see angels guarding them.. it's 2 Kings 6 17-20  chariots of fire

Edited July 24, 2014 by Nadita

[Nelg]

While Israel was faithful to God in the Old Testament that was true. God fulfilled His promise to mankind by bringing the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Lord into the world.  Since the cross and resurrection of Jesus, God in the flesh, the chosen people of God are those who believe and trust in Jesus Christ.  It is individual and not national Israel.  

[Tripphood]

Amen... Israel is God's chosen people and His eyes are on Israel.. I believe God sends His angels to protect Israel and to battle alongside them.  I can't remember the verse but it's something about the war and when their eyes were opened they see angels guarding them.. it's 2 Kings 6 17-20  chariots of fire

Amen, I agree with you Nadita, though some here will argue against what you say. I won't name names but you will prolly know soon enough.

[rightsonword]

lol, no. It has to do with Hamas' crappy rocket technology.

[Tripphood]

While Israel was faithful to God in the Old Testament that was true. God fulfilled His promise to mankind by bringing the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Lord into the world.  Since the cross and resurrection of Jesus, God in the flesh, the chosen people of God are those who believe and trust in Jesus Christ.  It is individual and not national Israel.

Replacement theology.

[Nadita]

While Israel was faithful to God in the Old Testament that was true. God fulfilled His promise to mankind by bringing the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Lord into the world.  Since the cross and resurrection of Jesus, God in the flesh, the chosen people of God are those who believe and trust in Jesus Christ.  It is individual and not national Israel.  

 

Yes... we are saved by Grace and not by works, so no one can boast but I still believe Israel is God's chosen people and we are adopted to be His children through Jesus Christ as the saviour whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life.  Still God's heart and eyes are on Israel  From then to now.. God doesn't change  Psalm 89:34 : my covenant will I not break, nor I alter the words coming out of my lips - my paraphrase

Amen, I agree with you Nadita, though some here will argue against what you say. I won't name names but you will prolly know soon enough.

 

 Thanks 

[easyrider]

While Israel was faithful to God in the Old Testament that was true. God fulfilled His promise to mankind by bringing the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Lord into the world.  Since the cross and resurrection of Jesus, God in the flesh, the chosen people of God are those who believe and trust in Jesus Christ.  It is individual and not national Israel.  

True, bottom line the holy land is blessed with a covenant between the people of israel and God and whomever comes against her shall, be cursed and who ever blesses her shall be blessed.

[Nelg]

Amen, I agree with you Nadita, though some here will argue against what you say. I won't name names but you will prolly know soon enough.

Like Paul, the apostle, in the Roman letter?    

[429]

I pray regularly that God will protect his chosen people. And if Hamas' rockets should fall in an empty field, to God be the glory.

 

Psalm 91:5   You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day. (NIV)

Psalm 91:11  For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. (NIV)

 

Nelg, I'm not a Bible scholar that I would even think to begin to debate you and I understand and appreciate your view. But I still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people.

[Nelg]

I pray regularly that God will protect his chosen people. And if Hamas' rockets should fall in an empty field, to God be the glory.

 

Psalm 91:5   You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day. (NIV)

Psalm 91:11  For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. (NIV)

 

Nelg, I'm not a Bible scholar that I would even think to begin to debate you and I understand and appreciate your view. But I still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people.

Good morning 429.  I pray for Israel because of the place they had in the plan of God in bringing in the Messiah.  But I also pray for the the Palestinians that they might turn to faith in Jesus as the Christ.  And I know and believe all that God has revealed in the Bible about Israel.  However, Israel was "cut off" from the promises of God by their unbelief in Jesus, the Messiah.  Those that still reject Him are no longer God's covenant children.  The only way that they can be His children and be partakers in the promises and the new covenant from God is by accepting and believing in Christ, the same way that anyone becomes a child of God.  The only "chosen people" are those who are "in Christ" and saved by the blood of God. 

I understand that this is not popular and not what many are being taught, but it is what the New Testament teaches.  It is not "Replacement Theology" but a fulfillment of the plan of God before the foundation of the world.  

I love and appreciate everyone on these forums and I love writing and speaking about the eternal love of God for mankind.  It is my life.  When I express my views it is because of a deep love for Christ and His word and not because I desire to debate. But I do enjoy sharing with others.  

God bless.

[Djorgie]

Elohim/God is MIGHTY and there is nothing he can not do!

[Maggie123]

GOD LOVES ALL IN HIS CREATION.

 

EVERY BIRD... EVERY BLADE OF GRASS.

 

GOD IS LOVE

[Tripphood]

Question: "What is replacement theology / supersessionism?"

Answer: Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. All the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel can be divided into two camps: either the church is a continuation of Israel (replacement/covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. So, the prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are “spiritualized” or “allegorized” into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God, and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1900 years?

The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is completely different and distinct from Israel, and the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.

After the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan. The first event at this time is the tribulation (Revelation chapters 6-19). The world will be judged for rejecting Christ, while Israel is prepared through the trials of the great tribulation for the second coming of the Messiah. Then, when Christ does return to the earth, at the end of the tribulation, Israel will be ready to receive Him. The remnant of Israel which survives the tribulation will be saved, and the Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital. With Christ reigning as King, Israel will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem to honor and worship the King—Jesus Christ. The church will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1-5).

Both the Old Testament and the New Testament support a premillennial/dispensational understanding of God's plan for Israel. Even so, the strongest support for premillennialism is found in the clear teaching of Revelation 20:1-7, where it says six times that Christ's kingdom will last 1000 years. After the tribulation the Lord will return and establish His kingdom with the nation of Israel, Christ will reign over the whole earth, and Israel will be the leader of the nations. The church will reign with Him for a literal thousand years. The church has not replaced Israel in God's plan. While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the church in this dispensation of grace, God has not forgotten Israel and will one day restore Israel to His intended role as the nation He has chosen (Romans 11).

Recommended Resources: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns and Logos Bible Software.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html#ixzz38Oxbuy2D

[ReVbo]

Man, if I was a Muslim and I honestly believed that the God of the Jews was redirecting rockets mid-flight, I think I would start to wonder where Allah is in all of this, and maybe think about switching teams.

[Nelg]

Tripphood, you have explained "Replacement Theology" and "dispensationalism/premillennialism," but both are the manipulations of Scripture to suit those theologies; and neither one are what the Bible truly teaches.  But can you give me a biblically sound understanding of "Israel" and the "body of Christ" base upon what you have read in the Bible?  

[Tripphood]

Where does it say in the Bible the God has turned his back on the Jews never to accept them again as His people? Everything God is doing concerning the Jews is to make them see that Jesus is the Messiah they seek and in the end, during the Great Tribulation they will. He will lead them to a hiding place in order to protect them, some believe that place to be Petra, and they will be His people once again. The Jews are Gods chosen and always will be. We can disagree but what does it really matter in the end? One of us will be proven right.

[Maggie123]

lol, no. It has to do with Hamas' crappy rocket technology.

 

Yep

[Shabibilicious]

The god of wind.......does the same thing to my Pro v1      FORE!!!!!!    

 

GO RV, and NO BV

[ATHIM]

Tripphood and Nelg: Very interesting topic, one that I am currently studying myself. I respect you both greatly and would appreciate any thoughts you might have on the following. Sorry it's so wordy.

 

CHOSEN PEOPLE

Here is where I see the truth lying. The Israelites are God’s chosen people. As St. Paul says, the Gentiles by faith in Jesus Christ have been grafted onto the olive tree, an opportunity made available to them because the Jews rejected Jesus and His message. We, the Gentiles, have been grafted into Israel whose roots are in the God eternal a God who will in no way turn His back on them, even though historically they seem to have a knack, like the Greeks I might add, of doing things the hard way.

 

Their place in the kingdom is always open to them. The Israelites were/are the believers in one the true God, Gentiles followed after Jesus. As Tripphood stated, the fact that Israel has existed for 2000 years without accepting Jesus cannot be overlooked as anything else other than the favor of God. Furthermore, prophecy concerning the return of Christ and the ushered in new age, will be centered around Israel, because when Jesus prophesied, He did so in relation to, and in context to, the plight of Israel.  I think the link below is worth viewing even though it costs 38 minutes.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXUqfNQ3J0o

 

The Jews still wait for their deliverer, their Messiah to bring them to a better place. 1900 years of anticipation and exile has made them very keen to prepare their end of the bargain, that is, to re-build Solomon’s temple, re-instate the Levite Priesthood, recommence the sacrifice, bring the world to a better understanding and relationship with God. Ironically for the same God who has, in my opinion, chastised them for 2000 years for deserting His Son whom they crucified.  And when they finally get their way (future event) and rebuild their temple, they will find that it is not God but the anti-god who will hijack their 1900 years of anticipation, i.e. the antichrist will set up shop in the temple and Israel will flee to refuge. At this time many of them will finally come to their senses and realize that God has not deserted them, but in fact it is they who have deserted God and misinterpreted, misjudged and rejected His incarnation in the flesh. They will realize that Jesus was/is the Messiah and they will turn to God for healing.

 

THE CHURCH

There is no new church only a fulfillment of the old with new understanding, as Jesus said I came to fulfill the Law not to abolish it. Pentecost is the unleashing of the fury of the Holy Spirit into those who knew the Law and lived by it. Ancient Christians do not reject Judaism, they see it as the forerunner for Jesus who took it to a Godly conclusion. The Law, as in the 10 commandments, stands eternally in the eyes of Judaism and Christianity.  Jesus adds grace to the guidelines established by Judaism making it more flexible, softening the rigidity of the Law through which no one can be justified because all have sinned.

 

Jesus establishes a new Covenant in His blood, transforming the lamb’s blood of Exodus into God’s blood for redemption. B.T.W. blood comes from the father not the mother so Jesus blood is Divine. The sacrifice is still offered (re-lived) by the church, it is offered to the one who gives it, i.e. we offer the gifts to God who has Himself given the elements and Spirit within the gifts to offer back to Him, gifts that we partake of for eternal life. In that sense the ancient Judaic Tradition of atonement is still alive and working in the lives of the faithful.

 

I find contemporary Christians have a tendency to discard History as something corrupt and unworthy of examination and respect. God bore with the Israelites who have existed as a nation for some 3,000 years, and unlike fickle humans, God does not desert those He has loved until there is no choice. Protestant Christians especially, expel 1,500 years of rich Church history and Tradition as if God deserted His Church for during the first years in anticipation of its reinvention by Martin Luther. This is sadly to infer that the Holy Spirit is a failure and this is simply not the case. 'Not one iota will change till I return.' So I empathize with the Jews whose faith is maligned and misunderstood as the Eastern Orthodox Church suffers the same treatment at the hands of many upstarts.

 

To say that there is no salvation in Judaism is simply not true. They are though under the law and will be judged accordingly. Christians have the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and the grace that it created. It is not though a free ticket to continue in un-holiness and sin; it is a triumph over the accusations of Satan and the Ariel powers so that God may justifiably and righteously assign forgiveness, tangibly bought into creation by the blood of His own Son.

 

Israel is a heavy stone that no one will lift and those who lift it will be crushed. This is bigger than human understanding and provides powerful evidence that God is still with Israel.

 

I look forward to your thoughts, corrections and additions. Thanks…

[Maggie123]

@ Athim...

 

More of your "religious garbage"... No Thank You Very Much.

Tripphood and Nelg: Very interesting topic, one that I am currently studying myself. I respect you both greatly and would appreciate any thoughts you might have on the following. Sorry it's so wordy.

 

CHOSEN PEOPLE

Here is where I see the truth lying. The Israelites are God’s chosen people. As St. Paul says, the Gentiles by faith in Jesus Christ have been grafted onto the olive tree, an opportunity made available to them because the Jews rejected Jesus and His message. We, the Gentiles, have been grafted into Israel whose roots are in the God eternal a God who will in no way turn His back on them, even though historically they seem to have a knack, like the Greeks I might add, of doing things the hard way.

 

Their place in the kingdom is always open to them. The Israelites were/are the believers in one the true God, Gentiles followed after Jesus. As Tripphood stated, the fact that Israel has existed for 2000 years without accepting Jesus cannot be overlooked as anything else other than the favor of God. Furthermore, prophecy concerning the return of Christ and the ushered in new age, will be centered around Israel, because when Jesus prophesied, He did so in relation to, and in context to, the plight of Israel.  I think the link below is worth viewing even though it costs 38 minutes.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXUqfNQ3J0o

 

The Jews still wait for their deliverer, their Messiah to bring them to a better place. 1900 years of anticipation and exile has made them very keen to prepare their end of the bargain, that is, to re-build Solomon’s temple, re-instate the Levite Priesthood, recommence the sacrifice, bring the world to a better understanding and relationship with God. Ironically for the same God who has, in my opinion, chastised them for 2000 years for deserting His Son whom they crucified.  And when they finally get their way (future event) and rebuild their temple, they will find that it is not God but the anti-god who will hijack their 1900 years of anticipation, i.e. the antichrist will set up shop in the temple and Israel will flee to refuge. At this time many of them will finally come to their senses and realize that God has not deserted them, but in fact it is they who have deserted God and misinterpreted, misjudged and rejected His incarnation in the flesh. They will realize that Jesus was/is the Messiah and they will turn to God for healing.

 

THE CHURCH

There is no new church only a fulfillment of the old with new understanding, as Jesus said I came to fulfill the Law not to abolish it. Pentecost is the unleashing of the fury of the Holy Spirit into those who knew the Law and lived by it. Ancient Christians do not reject Judaism, they see it as the forerunner for Jesus who took it to a Godly conclusion. The Law, as in the 10 commandments, stands eternally in the eyes of Judaism and Christianity.  Jesus adds grace to the guidelines established by Judaism making it more flexible, softening the rigidity of the Law through which no one can be justified because all have sinned.

 

Jesus establishes a new Covenant in His blood, transforming the lamb’s blood of Exodus into God’s blood for redemption. B.T.W. blood comes from the father not the mother so Jesus blood is Divine. The sacrifice is still offered (re-lived) by the church, it is offered to the one who gives it, i.e. we offer the gifts to God who has Himself given the elements and Spirit within the gifts to offer back to Him, gifts that we partake of for eternal life. In that sense the ancient Judaic Tradition of atonement is still alive and working in the lives of the faithful.

 

I find contemporary Christians have a tendency to discard History as something corrupt and unworthy of examination and respect. God bore with the Israelites who have existed as a nation for some 3,000 years, and unlike fickle humans, God does not desert those He has loved until there is no choice. Protestant Christians especially, expel 1,500 years of rich Church history and Tradition as if God deserted His Church for during the first years in anticipation of its reinvention by Martin Luther. This is sadly to infer that the Holy Spirit is a failure and this is simply not the case. 'Not one iota will change till I return.' So I empathize with the Jews whose faith is maligned and misunderstood as the Eastern Orthodox Church suffers the same treatment at the hands of many upstarts.

 

To say that there is no salvation in Judaism is simply not true. They are though under the law and will be judged accordingly. Christians have the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and the grace that it created. It is not though a free ticket to continue in un-holiness and sin; it is a triumph over the accusations of Satan and the Ariel powers so that God may justifiably and righteously assign forgiveness, tangibly bought into creation by the blood of His own Son.

 

Israel is a heavy stone that no one will lift and those who lift it will be crushed. This is bigger than human understanding and provides powerful evidence that God is still with Israel.

 

I look forward to your thoughts, corrections and additions. Thanks…

[SnowGlobe7]

Man, if I was a Muslim and I honestly believed that the God of the Jews was redirecting rockets mid-flight, I think I would start to wonder where Allah is in all of this, and maybe think about switching teams.

 

This is exactly what I was thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ATHIM]

MAGGIE123

 

More of your "religious garbage"... No Thank You Very Much

 

Short sentence to sum up several concepts. Please prove what you say, even your thoughts would be appreciated.

[Maggie123]

I disagree with your BS.

[ATHIM]

The topic is about how God "could be" protecting Israel supernaturally. Historically God has protected Israel. We are exploring Israel’s positioning in light of current world events and in that respect you cannot separate Israel from the God of Abraham and Jacob that they believe in. The Rabbi's in speaking to Benjamin Netanyahu told him to do what he has to to speed up the coming of the Messiah. God is in the picture.

 

From your comments I take it you do not believe in the one God?