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5 things conservatives lie about shamelessly

The right still somehow insists that climate change isn't real and that the ACA will euthanize old people

 

 

 

 

Mark Twain once famously said, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” Twain wasn’t praising lies with this comment, of course, but modern-day conservatives seem to think he was dishing out advice instead of damning the practice of dishonesty. Conservatives have figured out a neat little rhetorical trick: One lie is easy for your opponents to debunk. Tell one lie after another, however, and your opponent’s debunkings will never catch up. By the time the liberal opposition has debunked one lie, there’s a dozen more to take its place.

 

 

Science educator Eugenie Scott deemed the technique the “Gish Gallop,” named for a notoriously sleazy creationist named Duane Gish. The Urban Dictionary defines the Gish Gallop as a technique that “involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can’t address let alone counter all of it.” Often users of the Gish Gallop know their arguments are nonsense or made in bad faith, but don’t particularly care because they are so dead set on advancing their agenda. Unfortunately, the strategy is so effective that it’s been expanding rapidly in right-wing circles. Here are just a few of the most disturbing examples of the Gish Gallop in action.

 

 

1. Creationism. It’s no surprise creationists inspired the coining of the term Gish Gallop, as they have perfected the art of making up nonsense faster than scientists can refute it. The list of false or irrelevant claims made by creationists, as chronicled by Talk Origins, numbers in the dozens, perhaps even hundreds, and more are always being spun out. Trying to argue with a creationist, therefore, turns into a hellish game of Whack-A-Mole. Debunk the lie that the speed of light is not constant, and you’ll find he’s already arguing that humans co-existed with dinosaurs. Argue that it’s unconstitutional to put the story of Adam and Eve in the science classroom, and find he’s pretending he was never asking for that and instead wants to “teach the controversy.”

 

 

“Teaching the controversy” is a classic Gish Gallop apology. The conservative wants to make it seem like he’s supporting open-minded debate, but instead he just wants an opportunity to dump a bunch of lies on students with the knowledge that they’ll never have the time and attention to carefully parse every debunking.

 

 

2. Climate change denialism.This strategy worked so well for creationism it makes perfect sense that it would be imported to the world of climate change denialism. Climate change denialists have many changing excuses for why they reject the science showing that human-caused greenhouse gases are changing the climate, but what all these reasons have in common is they are utter nonsense in service of a predetermined opposition to taking any action to prevent further damage.

 

 

Skeptical Science, a website devoted to debunking right-wing lies on this topic, has compiled a dizzying list of 176 common claims by climate denialists and links to why they are false. Some of these lies directly contradict each other. For instance, it can’t both be true that climate change is “natural” and that it’s not happening at all. No matter, since the point of these lies is not to create a real discussion about the issue, but to confuse the issue so much it’s impossible to get any real momentum behind efforts to stop global warming.

 

 

3. The Affordable Care Act. It’s not just science where conservatives have discovered the value in telling lies so fast you simply wear your opposition out. When it comes to healthcare reform, the lying has been relentless. There are the big lies, such as calling Obamacare “socialism,” which implies a single-payer system, when in fact, it’s about connecting the uninsured with private companies and giving consumers of healthcare a basic set of rights. In a sense, even the name “Obamacare” is a lie, as the bill was, per the President’s explicit wishes, written by Congress.

 

 

But there are also the small lies: The ACA funds abortionUnder the ACA, old people will be forcibly euthanizedObamacare somehow covers undocumented immigrantsCongress exempted itself from Obamacare (one of the lies that doesn’t even make sense, as it’s not a program you could really get exempted from). Healthcare will add a trillion dollars to the deficit.

 

 

The strategy of just lying and lying and lying some more about the ACA has gotten to the point where Fox News is just broadcasting lies accusing the Obama administration of lying. When it was reported that the administration was going to hit its projections for the number of enrollments through healthcare.gov, a subculture of “enrollment truthers” immediately sprang up to spread a variety of often conflicting lies to deny that these numbers are even real. It started soft, with some conservatives suggesting that some enrollments shouldn’t count or arguing, without a shred of evidence, that huge numbers of new enrollees won’t pay their premiums. Now the lying is blowing up to the shameless level, with “cooking the books” being a common false accusation or, as with Jesse Watters on Fox, straight up accusing the White House of making the number up. Perhaps soon there will be demands to see all these new enrollees’ birth certificates.

 

 

4. Contraception mandate.The ACA-based requirement that insurance plans cover contraception without a copay has generated a Gish Gallop so large it deserves its own category. Jodi Jacobson of RH Reality Check chronicled 12 of the biggest lies generated by the right-wing noise machine in just the past couple of years since the mandate was even announced. It is not “free” birth control, nor is it “paid for” by employers. The birth control coverage is paid for by the employees, with benefits they earn by working. The mandate doesn’t cover “abortifacients,” only contraception. No, birth control doesn’t work by killing fertilized eggs, but by preventing fertilization. It’s simply false that the prescriptions in question can all be replaced with a $9-a-month prescription from Walmart, as many women’s prescriptions run into the hundreds and even thousands a year. No, it’s not true that the contraception mandate is about funding women’s “lifestyle”, because statistics show that having sex for fun instead of procreation is a universal human behavior and not a marginal or unusual behavior as the term “lifestyle” implies.

 

 

5. Gun safety. The gun lobby is dishonest to its core. Groups like the NRA like to paint themselves like they are human rights organizations, but in fact, they are an industry lobby whose only real goal is to protect the profit margins of gun manufacturers, regardless of the costs to human health and safety. Because their very existence is based on a lie, is it any surprise that gun industry advocates are experts at the Gish Gallop, ready to spring into action at the sign of any school shooting or report on gun violence and dump so many lies on the public that gun safety advocates can never even begin to address them all?

 

 

A small sampling of the many, many lies spouted by gun industry advocates: That guns prevent murder, when in fact more guns correlates strongly with more murders. That gun control doesn’t workThat gun control is unpopular.  That any move to make gun ownership safer is a move to take away your guns. That a gun in the home makes you safer when it actually puts your family at more risk. That guns protect against domestic violence, when the truth is that owning a gun makes abuse worse, not better. Even the standard line “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is a distracting bit of dishonesty, since most gun deaths aren’t murders but suicides.

 

 

How do you fight the Gish Gallop, when trying to debunk each and every lie is so overwhelming? There are a few tactics that help, including creating websites and pamphlets where all the lies can be aggregated in one place, for swift debunking. (Bingo cards and drinking games are a humorous version of this strategy.) A critical strategy is to avoid lengthy Lincoln-Douglas-style debates that allow conservatives to lie-dump rapidly during their speaking period, leaving you so busy trying to clean up their mess you have no time for positive points of your own. Better is a looser style of debate where you can interrupt and correct the lies as they come. I’ve also found some luck with setting an explicit “no lies” rule that will be strictly enforced. The first lie receives a warning, and the second lie means that the debate is immediately terminated. This helps prevent you from having to debunk and instead makes the price of participation a strict adherence to facts.

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1 Corinthians 1:19-25 (NLT)

19 As the Scriptures say,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
    and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”

20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. 22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. 23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.

24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.

 


 

Jesus Loves You Dinar Stud.  He's calling your name! :twothumbs:

 

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I just logged in to give him a neg and the rest a plus.

Don't know you two give the troll a response, I'd rather get a root canal done, at least THAT would have a purpose.

All this article is, is hate speech and propaganda.

One day "every knee shall bend and tongue confess".

The obvious problem, is no matter what words are used to dismiss God, the truth is, ds has never asked Him to show Himself.

Either that, or ds was just to weak to follow....

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Wow, I won't neg you, but I seriously don't know where to begin with this diatribe.

 

Must have been written by one of them "professors" who think they're somehow smarter than the rest of us.

 

Not to defend conservatisim, but let's just look at the facts on one item here you say conservatives are lying about and see if we can find the bigger lie that started it.

 

Now, if you ask Nancy (we have to vote for it to find out what's in it) Pelosi, this Obamacare ACA was supposed to help everyone, right?

 

Everyone?... Really?

OK, there are about 320,000,000 (million) americans, plus who knows how many fence-jumpers that this was supposed to cover.

 

The admin is jumping for joy that they have 7.1 million insured now.

Problem is that everyone else is being disconnected from their existing plans, so that leaves 313,000,000 million now uninsured when it used to be only 12,000,000.

 

By my math, that missing 300 million doesn't add up, but wait, it gets MUCH worse. Check this out..

 

'The debate over repealing this law is over': Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare - but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html
  • President took a major victory lap and took political shots at Republicans, but ignored shortcomings in his administration's official numbers
  • Press secretary Jay Carney will only say 'we're aggregating a lot of data' when asked how many enrollees have paid for coverage
  • Carney dodged questions about damning study that showed very few Obamacare customers were uninsured before the law took effect
  • Percentages from a hush-hush RAND Corporation study suggest barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans have enrolled and paid premiums
  • HHS Secretary Sebelius met a televised challenge Monday about 'unpopular' Obamacare with lengthy awkward silence

 

So, the REALITY IS that we don't even have 1 million who are actually covered when we HAD over 300 million before.

You can see from the facts that this is an outright sham, or to use a more Liberal term, LIE!!!

 

And this phoney debate over conservative vs liberal is supposed to help us how again???

 

You have 4 more points, but I think (hope) you can discover the friviolity of it all so we don't have to spell everything out.

 

The problem with pointing a finger at someone is you have to remember that 3 are pointing back at you.

 

Cheers!

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Keep up the good work!! Maybe some of the more intelligent people here will see the truth.

 

The rest will just neg your post.


It's in there...LIbEralS
Obama tells the same lie at least 36 times. This is just one of sooooo many.
 

No...LIE is NOT in the name LIBERAL....but CON is sure in the name CONservative. 

 

As for the Obamacare "Keep your plan"....who knew people liked garbage plans that didn't actually cover you in an emergency.....



 

So, the REALITY IS that we don't even have 1 million who are actually covered when we HAD over 300 million before.

You can see from the facts that this is an outright sham, or to use a more Liberal term, LIE!!!

 

Um...no...the reality is that we have more than a million NEW people who have health care than did before.

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I just logged in to give him a neg and the rest a plus.

Don't know you two give the troll a response, I'd rather get a root canal done, at least THAT would have a purpose.

All this article is, is hate speech and propaganda.

One day "every knee shall bend and tongue confess".

The obvious problem, is no matter what words are used to dismiss God, the truth is, ds has never asked Him to show Himself.

Either that, or ds was just to weak to follow....

What did God have to do with his post?

Keep up the good work!! Maybe some of the more intelligent people here will see the truth.

 

The rest will just neg your post.

No...LIE is NOT in the name LIBERAL....but CON is sure in the name CONservative. 

 

As for the Obamacare "Keep your plan"....who knew people liked garbage plans that didn't actually cover you in an emergency.....

 

So, the REALITY IS that we don't even have 1 million who are actually covered when we HAD over 300 million before.

You can see from the facts that this is an outright sham, or to use a more Liberal term, LIE!!!

 

Um...no...the reality is that we have more than a million NEW people who have health care than did before.

The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land.

 

By the time another Republican majority is in both the House and Senate, and they have a President too, it will be going so well no one will want to give it up. Or it will be single payer by that far off time...LOL

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There are so many things I could comment on but I will just pick one, "global change".

 

For some reason the Liberal-Progressives have about as short of memories as a monkey with ADD. For the past 35 years the environmental scientists were calling this so-called doomsday prediction "global warming" and the phrase "global change" was never a part of the vernacular. Now just 5 years later everyone has changed to "global change". So why the big change in strategy and communications? Well if you go back and look at many of the predictions, they have now reached the due dates and so far none of the predictions have come true.

 

You see this "junk science" is based upon some very questionable scientific reasoning and tools.

 

 1) Firstly, temperature data has only been gathered since the late 1800's since the invention of the thermometer.

 

2) Secondly, scientific temperature gathering has really truly only been gathered over the last 40~50 years. This is when enough readings could provide a global map of data.

 

3. Thirdly, the geographic locations where temperature gathering has occurred has been primarily in large metropolitan areas, areas that should show gradual increases in temperature do to rising population.

 

4. Fourth, the temperature prediction models are flawed and do not account for other external factors, such as the heating by the sun.

 

5. Fifth, another indication the models are flawed is that they can't accurately predict where we have been over the past 100 years so how could you rely on this same tool to predict where you are going?

 

In summary, the naysayers of "global warming/change" have very good reasons to question the veracity of this "junk" science. I will contend that the earth may be going through a warming trend over the past 40 years but tying this change solely and exclusively as man-made is dishonest and criminal in my mind.

 

BTW, I do I have the credentials to make these claims as I have a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering from Washington State University. My theory is that the environmental movement in this country has evolved from good intentions-clean water, air, and environment-to the fascist movement of controlling and monitoring everything we do, especially the citizens of the USA. Until I see evidence to back up the environments claims, I will always side with freedom.

 

Indy

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The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land.

 

By the time another Republican majority is in both the House and Senate, and they have a President too, it will be going so well no one will want to give it up. Or it will be single payer by that far off time...LOL

 

Prohibition was also the law of the land ....... until it wasn't!

 

Prohibition in the United States was a nationwide ban on the sale, production, importation, and transportation of alcoholic beverages that remained in place from 1920 to 1933.[1] The dry movement, led by rural Protestants and social Progressives in the Democratic and Republican parties, was coordinated by the Anti-Saloon League. Prohibition was mandated under the Eighteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Enabling legislation, known as the Volstead Act, set down the rules for enforcing the ban and defined the types of alcoholic beverages that were prohibited. Private ownership and consumption of alcohol was not made illegal under federal law; however, in many areas local laws were more strict, with some states banning possession outright. Nationwide Prohibition ended with the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment, which repealed the Eighteenth Amendment, on December 5, 1933.

 

 

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A Tale of Two Cities
 

 

A Tale of Two Cities                     Chicago, IL    Houston, TX
 
Population                                          2.7 million    2.15 million
 
Median HH Income                             $38,600       $37,000
 
% African-American                             38.9%          24%
 
% Hispanic                                          29.9%            44%
 
% Asian                                                5.5%            6%
 
% Non-Hispanic White                         28.7%         26%
 
 
Pretty similar until you compare the following:
 
                                                  Chicago, IL         Houston, TX
 
Concealed Carry gun law                  no                 yes
 
# of Gun Stores                                 0                184 - Dedicated gun stores plus
                                                                            1500 - legal places to buy guns- Walmart, K-mart,                                                                                sporting goods, etc.
 
Homicides, 2012                            1,806                 207
 
Homicides per 100K                        38.4                  9.6
 
 
Avg. January high temperature  (F)
 
                                                        31                     63
 
 
Democrat Conclusion:
Cold weather from global warming causes murder.
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What did God have to do with his post?

The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land.

 

By the time another Republican majority is in both the House and Senate, and they have a President too, it will be going so well no one will want to give it up. Or it will be single payer by that far off time...LOL

Exactly!

Whatever happened to the LEFT's term "GLOBAL WARMING"? LOL  Now they use "Climate Change" LOL.  News Flash "Climate Change" is nothing new and is constant.

The right couldn't understand it and whenever the temp went down they made cracks about global warming since they had no idea what it meant. 

And we know from experience liberals never lie.          Right...

And we know from experience that the right is expert at lying

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What did God have to do with his post?

The Affordable Care Act is the law of the land.

 

By the time another Republican majority is in both the House and Senate, and they have a President too, it will be going so well no one will want to give it up. Or it will be single payer by that far off time...LOL

Single-Payer was the Socialist agenda from the outset because the libs KNEW this plan could never work in a "free" society.

 

There are so many things I could comment on but I will just pick one, "global change".

 

For some reason the Liberal-Progressives have about as short of memories as a monkey with ADD. For the past 35 years the environmental scientists were calling this so-called doomsday prediction "global warming" and the phrase "global change" was never a part of the vernacular. Now just 5 years later everyone has changed to "global change". So why the big change in strategy and communications? Well if you go back and look at many of the predictions, they have now reached the due dates and so far none of the predictions have come true.

 

You see this "junk science" is based upon some very questionable scientific reasoning and tools.

 

 1) Firstly, temperature data has only been gathered since the late 1800's since the invention of the thermometer.

 

2) Secondly, scientific temperature gathering has really truly only been gathered over the last 40~50 years. This is when enough readings could provide a global map of data.

 

3. Thirdly, the geographic locations where temperature gathering has occurred has been primarily in large metropolitan areas, areas that should show gradual increases in temperature do to rising population.

 

4. Fourth, the temperature prediction models are flawed and do not account for other external factors, such as the heating by the sun.

 

5. Fifth, another indication the models are flawed is that they can't accurately predict where we have been over the past 100 years so how could you rely on this same tool to predict where you are going?

 

In summary, the naysayers of "global warming/change" have very good reasons to question the veracity of this "junk" science. I will contend that the earth may be going through a warming trend over the past 40 years but tying this change solely and exclusively as man-made is dishonest and criminal in my mind.

 

BTW, I do I have the credentials to make these claims as I have a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering from Washington State University. My theory is that the environmental movement in this country has evolved from good intentions-clean water, air, and environment-to the fascist movement of controlling and monitoring everything we do, especially the citizens of the USA. Until I see evidence to back up the environments claims, I will always side with freedom.

 

Indy

 

Excellent Indraman, I always look to question the source as well.

"They" want to blame us for this Global-Warming hoax, but the fact remains that it really is not a left vs right issue.

We the people are just being played against each other.

The reality is that a very few elites that control the global economy do not want us to attain efficiency because it's "bad for business".

 

Just look at these cars getting 300 Miles Per Gallon and ask WHY we can't just run down to the dealer and pick one up.

 

REALITY: 300 mpg from a normal production car - the Volkswagen XL1

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/slapintheface.html

 

Excerpt:

You won't find the 300 MPG Volkswagen XL1 in an American showroom, in fact it has even been denied a tour of America because it is too efficient for the American public to be made widely aware of, and oil profits are too high in America with the status quo in place. No tour has been allowed for this car because the myth that 50 mpg is virtually impossible to obtain from even a stripped down econobox is too profitable to let go of, and when it comes to corporate oil profits, ignorance is bliss.

Years ago I had calculated that it should be possible to get a small car to exceed 100 mpg by putting parallel direct to cylinder water injectors side by side with the fuel injectors, and using the exhaust manifold to preheat the water so it would enter the cylinders as dry steam, thus providing added expansion (which drives the engine) while allowing the combustion process to proceed without reducing it's efficiency. But I was obviously wrong with my calculations, because they were in fact over 2x conservative. The 100 mpg carburetor was indeed a reality, and the Volkswagen XL1 proves it with only straightforward nothing special technology we have had since the 1970's.

Though the XL1 can be plugged in to deliver a 40 mile all electric drive, it does not need to be plugged in EVER to achieve 300 mpg. And it does not cheat in any way to achieve the rating, it weighs over 1,700 pounds, has normal tires, and delivers a very good driving experience with a governed top speed of 99 mph. The XL1 could reach a top speed in excess of 110 mph absent governor and turns in a 0-60 time of 11.5 seconds which is by no means leisurly for a car designed for efficiency. The XL1 in no way cheats on performance to hit it's rating. It is simply the car we should have always had, and have had taken from us in the name of oil profits.

Though the XL1 can hit 300 mpg under ideal driving conditions, it's combined mileage is usually a little over 200 mpg, and if you do city driving only that will drop to a minimum of 180 mpg under the worst driving conditions. But I'd be happy with that no doubt.

 

Conclusion: Liberal LIE #2 of the OP's original 5 is hereby Busted.

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If common sense is a form of lying then I am guilty.

 

This so called bit of dishonesty makes me shake my head, roll over and laugh!!!  If I am reading this correctly this states that people kill people is a lie becouse murders are done by people but suicide is done by the gun???   lol  lol   So if this is ones opinion then where would someone buy a gun that has two little feet and a trigger finger that shoots a suicide victim???  

 

I better be carefull cause my autographed Ichiro bat might just walk over here and hit me in the head!!!   :o

I guess i'm dishonest!!!! :confused2: 

 

Oh my!!!   :lmao:

 

 

 

Even the standard line “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is a distracting bit of dishonesty, since most gun deaths aren’t murders but suicides.

 

 

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Let me see if I can fix this stupid statement.

 

"3. The Affordable Care Act. It’s not just science where the left  have discovered the value in telling lies so fast you simply wear your opposition out. When it comes to healthcare reform, the lying has been relentless."

 

There now it sounds right.  There have never been so many lies and end runs perpetrated on the American people.

And  Obama Care is a disaster and you know it . :banhammer:  :butt-kicking:

 

 


 

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