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ajskj, if I were unintelligent and uninformed as to matters of "first sight" I may be inclined to differ with you because you clearly did not give account to the overall context of my post. If Hawaii issues and recognizes a form of any document is of no consequence to me. So be it.

You took issue with the CERITIFED birth certificate presented. I merely corrected your assumption.

By the way, unless you have first-hand evidence about that specific "birth certificate" you are only taking someone else's word. What do you really have? After all, promises were made that this would be the most open administration ever. Yet, the reality is that we have just witnessed some of the most underhanded political processes... EVER.

Thank you for your comment. It was quite stimulating.

Sorry...but again, you are wrong. The HEAD of the Department of Vital Statistics in Hawaii has verified the document TWICE. That would be doing the job she was hired to do....not just a guy off the street saying it.

Argue his politics if you like....but when you present lies, it invalidates your position.

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There was a newscast last week that we saw over here, I believe CNN showed it, and it was Michelle Obama in Kenya, stating that it was such an honor to be in the country where her husband was born.....HELLO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME

She has never said that he was BORN there. His home country refers to the fact that his FATHER was born there...and he has ties there.

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Nice try, I read both books cover to cover. When you take these quotes out of context it sounds so "SCARY". Now go back and post these quotes within the whole paragraph. See! what he is trying to say makes complete sense and it's no longer "SCARY". I get the feeling you already knew that and were just trying to mislead the gullible. I wish americans were better informed before making insane claims.

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Why does Snopes say this court thing is garbage? Is it really happening? I sure do hope so, but it gets no news or credibility as far as I have seen, quiet or no quiet,........ will it ever see light? Talk about "change", this would really make a change.

Because it was an April Fools Day joke. The group mentioned in the article did not exist...the SCHOLARSHIP is a GRANT...and IS open to US students....and none of the colleges he attended have released any information on how he paid for college.

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Then the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known; wood and stone. And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the Lord will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. In the morning you shall say,

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Deuteronomy 28 - Blessing and Cursing

A. Blessings on obedience.

1. (1-2) Overtaken by blessing.

Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God:

a. If you diligently obey the voice of the Lord: The word “if” looms large. In this chapter, Moses exhorted the nation with choice. The covenant God made with Israel contained three major features: The law, the sacrifice, and the choice.

i. The idea behind the choice is that God was determined to reveal Himself to the world through Israel. He would do this either by making them so blessed that the world would know only God could have blessed them so; or by making them so cursed that only God could have cursed them and cause them to still survive. The choice was up to Israel.

ii. As a literary form, this chapter is similar to ancient treaties between a king and his people; this is God the King, making a covenant with His people, Israel.

iii. “In the ancient Near East it was customary for legal treaties to conclude with passages containing blessings upon those who observed the enactments, and curses upon those who did not.” (Harrrison)

b. That the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth: Therefore, if Israel would obey the Lord, He would set them high above all nations of the earth, and the blessings would be so powerful that they would come upon you and overtake you. They wouldn’t be able to escape the blessings.

2. (3-14) God will richly bless Israel’s obedience to the covenant.

Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country. Blessed shall be the fruit of your body, the produce of your ground and the increase of your herds, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks. Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out. The Lord will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before your face; they shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways. The Lord will command the blessing on you in your storehouses and in all to which you set your hand, and He will bless you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you. The Lord will establish you as a holy people to Himself, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the Lord your God and walk in His ways. Then all peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be afraid of you. And the Lord will grant you plenty of goods, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your ground, in the land of which the Lord swore to your fathers to give you. The Lord will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow. And the Lord will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them. So you shall not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

a. Blessed shall you be: An obedient Israel would be blessed everywhere: In the city . . . in the country . . . when you come in . . . when you go out. An obedient Israel would be blessed in their homes and in their farms, and in their kitchens (the fruit of your body . . . the produce of your ground and the increase of your herds . . . Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl).

b. They shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways: An obedient Israel would be blessed in warfare. This degree of blessing speaks of a clearly Divine blessing.

c. The Lord will establish you as a holy people to Himself: Perhaps the best blessing had to do with Israel’s own relationship with God. God would separate and obedient Israel unto Himself, speaking of a special relationship. If not for this, all the material blessings described previously would be empty.

d. All the peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the Lord . . . the Lord will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath: God’s purpose in blessing Israel was greater than just enriching the nation for its own sake. He intended to glorify Himself through blessing them.

i. When Israel walked after the Lord, these blessings were real; one example of this is when the Queen of Sheba came to Solomon and saw a nation so blessed, she knew it had to be of God (1 Kings 10:1-13).

B. Curses on disobedience.

1. (15) Introduction to the curses.

But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

a. If you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God: The covenant’s aspect of the choice was a sword with two edges. Obedience would carry great blessing, but disobedience would carry terrible curses.

b. All these curses will come upon you and overtake you: Like the blessings for an obedient Israel, the curses for a disobedient Israel would be inevitable.

c. All these curses: The rest of the chapter is almost overwhelming. “Actually, a logical analysis of the chapter is almost impossible, since the final aim was not to be logical but to build up a vivid impression by presenting picture after picture until the hearer could see and feel the import of the preacher’s words.” (Thompson)

2. (16-68) The curses upon Israel’s disobedience.

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OMG you all need to get a life..just like the the Lt Col who is being court marshaled for not deploying per his orders as he is a "birther" so he doesn't feel he needs to answer to the President..well the Army does so he is being court marshaled on conduct unbecoming...hhhmmm seems this will settle this matter in some courts anyway. Oh well the internet conspirators well keep shoveling their BS no matter what, even if they are proven wrong time and time again. If this where true don't you think it would be in every news outlet and be a big news item??? ooops sorry forgot the internet it the only place to get the 'real' news..or it's not nearly as important as what Tiger Woods is doing or saying this week..my bad.

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OMG you all need to get a life..just like the the Lt Col who is being court marshaled for not deploying per his orders as he is a "birther" so he doesn't feel he needs to answer to the President..well the Army does so he is being court marshaled on conduct unbecoming...hhhmmm seems this will settle this matter in some courts anyway. Oh well the internet conspirators well keep shoveling their BS no matter what, even if they are proven wrong time and time again. If this where true don't you think it would be in every news outlet and be a big news item??? ooops sorry forgot the internet it the only place to get the 'real' news..or it's not nearly as important as what Tiger Woods is doing or saying this week..my bad.

Actually I believe this is something the mainstream media would not report because they were behind him from the beginning.

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Sorry...there is nothing in any law that states that. NATIVE BORN is the same as NATURAL BORN.

The fact that his father was not a citizen was widely known and yet the SCOTUS had no problem swearing him in.

There are also two Presidents before him who had one parent who was not a citizen.

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GREAT CONSPIRACY THEORY....LOL!!!

Too bad that it is bogus.

I am not into conspiracy theory. You are welcome to believe what you want. And as far as it being bogus, you would have to tell me what you base that on in order for us to have a meaningful discussion about it.

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When someone is a true conspiracy theorist...no matter how much information to present them to the contrary.....it will never ever be enough. With a "bogus birth certificate" this President has been elected to the senate and the highest office in the world. The vetting process has been raked over and over again by his opponents. During an election, particularly a Presidential election, ANY dirt...even if it has a sliver of accuracy, has been brought out time and time again in order to discredit or raise questions about an opponent. Doesn't simple logic suggest that if there were anything at all to the birthers claims, the Hillarious Clinton campaign AND the John McCain campaign would have been all over it? These people have staff members who's job during an election is to FIND scandal. (or potential scandal) So what, they didn't investigate this one particular "smoking gun"? Better yet, the DID investigate but decided to sweep it under the rug when any evidence of proof would have handed them the Presidency? So "associations" with Bill Ayers was fair game...but let's ignore the fact that my opponent isn't really a US citizen and therefore cannot hold the office he is seeking? Let's not use that? Simple logic suggests that the campaigns DID do their due dilligence and found that at the end of the day...the birth certificate nonsense was just that...NONSENSE. Unless your conspiracy beliefs take you in a direction that Clinton and McCain were somehow "in on it" and didn't really want to be President afterall. Heck, even right wing heros O'Reilly, Beck, Coulter and Huckabee have dismissed the birthers and their claims. Unless, of course, your conspiracy beliefs lead you to believe that those talking heads and FAUX News are in on it as well. If your conspiracy beliefs are THAT deep then I doubt any "evidence" would suffice. You could take a DeLorean, complete with flux capacitor, and travel back to the actually birth of Barack Obama in Hawaii and STILL come away not satisfied with this type of individual. Their agenda is clear...and it has nothing to do with "birth certificates". It's about de-legitimizing an election...which has been over for quite some time now. Barack Obama IS the President and that is that. If you don't like him or the way he is governing, it is very simple. In 2012, vote him out. That's how it's done. This idea of "trying to void an election"......trying to unring a bell is a waste. But....the birthers will continue on. Nothing will satisfy a good conspiracy theory.

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Well the main stream media sure were perceptive to his hypnosis. They sold their souls to the devil, hook, line and sinker. Shivers and tingles running up one's legs topped off with copious amounts of kool-aid.

Not CIA, but Frank Marshall Davis, Jeremiah Wright, Soros, Ayers and a few more commies, trained this moron.

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When someone is a true conspiracy theorist...no matter how much information to present them to the contrary.....it will never ever be enough. With a "bogus birth certificate" this President has been elected to the senate and the highest office in the world. The vetting process has been raked over and over again by his opponents. During an election, particularly a Presidential election, ANY dirt...even if it has a sliver of accuracy, has been brought out time and time again in order to discredit or raise questions about an opponent. Doesn't simple logic suggest that if there were anything at all to the birthers claims, the Hillarious Clinton campaign AND the John McCain campaign would have been all over it? These people have staff members who's job during an election is to FIND scandal. (or potential scandal) So what, they didn't investigate this one particular "smoking gun"? Better yet, the DID investigate but decided to sweep it under the rug when any evidence of proof would have handed them the Presidency? So "associations" with Bill Ayers was fair game...but let's ignore the fact that my opponent isn't really a US citizen and therefore cannot hold the office he is seeking? Let's not use that? Simple logic suggests that the campaigns DID do their due dilligence and found that at the end of the day...the birth certificate nonsense was just that...NONSENSE. Unless your conspiracy beliefs take you in a direction that Clinton and McCain were somehow "in on it" and didn't really want to be President afterall. Heck, even right wing heros O'Reilly, Beck, Coulter and Huckabee have dismissed the birthers and their claims. Unless, of course, your conspiracy beliefs lead you to believe that those talking heads and FAUX News are in on it as well. If your conspiracy beliefs are THAT deep then I doubt any "evidence" would suffice. You could take a DeLorean, complete with flux capacitor, and travel back to the actually birth of Barack Obama in Hawaii and STILL come away not satisfied with this type of individual. Their agenda is clear...and it has nothing to do with "birth certificates". It's about de-legitimizing an election...which has been over for quite some time now. Barack Obama IS the President and that is that. If you don't like him or the way he is governing, it is very simple. In 2012, vote him out. That's how it's done. This idea of "trying to void an election"......trying to unring a bell is a waste. But....the birthers will continue on. Nothing will satisfy a good conspiracy theory.

Very well said. BRAVO!

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Actually I believe this is something the mainstream media would not report because they were behind him from the beginning.

Barbann your kidding right???? no one anywhere in the news media in the US or the world for that matter would not say something...hhhmmm didn't know one person or one party had that much power or Nixon would have served his full term and Clinton would never have had to worry about a stain on a dress..oh yeah I forget the internet is the only place to get the real news....jmo

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Carlablum...as far as I know, his certificate of birth has been seen which is completely different from a birth certificate.
RMLP - what about the Clinton/McCain run? Are they "in on it" as well? What about O'reilly, Beck, Coulter, huckabee, FAUX News? "In on it" too? Snoops? Factcheck.org? "In on it too"? What about the judges who have thrown these lawsuits out? Particulally Judge Clay Land who not only threw out the lawsuit filed by part time lawyer/dentist/cashier Orly Taitz, but fined her $20,000 for "willfully abusing her right to practice law" and "wasting the courts time". Are these judges also "in on it" as well? Curious.
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Carlablum...as far as I know, his certificate of birth has been seen which is completely different from a birth certificate.

No, you are wrong. The CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH is the ONLY certified birth certificate issued by Hawaii. They have also verified that he was born IN HAWAII and IS a natural born citizen...a statement which was approved by the state Attorney General.

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Barbann your kidding right???? no one anywhere in the news media in the US or the world for that matter would not say something...hhhmmm didn't know one person or one party had that much power or Nixon would have served his full term and Clinton would never have had to worry about a stain on a dress..oh yeah I forget the internet is the only place to get the real news....jmo

Well I agree, that MSM is more than willing to vet a good scandal. As far as the internet being the only place to get news, not so much. Not sure why you keep repeating that. Radio and television are not without their bias as either so which source you can truly trust is up in the air. None of us really know if we are getting the straight of the story until years later. There are too many questions being asked that have gone unanswered to date. What will satisfy me? The truth, and proof of the truth. As far as the Birth Certificate goes, well documents are made up all the time. Our Gov't does it on several different levels to move people in and out of the country, conceal identities etc. I think it is naive to believe that it would have been impossible to have happened in this case. I think it is pretty easy to create a chronological record of anyone's life with supporting documents to back up the timeline. If indeed they exist, just let everyone see them and all of this controversy will be over. JMO

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Sadly enough there are a few people on this particular thread who are very blinded by their new found leader and in awe and appear to be pleased of his exploitation of the American People and the destruction of the American Way.

Something else to read on...

Have you sent in your census form already? Your government is going to use it to gerrymander the Congressional districts so that they can get a wonderful law passed through Congress. In a nutshell, It gives rights to criminals (illegal ailens) which we, as citizens are denied. When left wing CNN does a report on the subject, you know it has to be serious. If you never watched something sent to you on what looks like a junk email, please watch this one - twice, if you have to. Then send it on to everyone you know. Now, please scroll down to the link to the CNN Report. Thanks, Ted

CNN News, not Fox -- You will not believe this! It just keeps getting better.. This is unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I KNEW this was going to happen. (That way Obama wasn't lying when he said illegal’s would not be able to get medical coverage under his ObamaCare plan. His simple fix is to make them all legal first...and could this have anything to do with slanting the vote in 2010 & 2012....?)

EVERY ONE--PLEASE TAKE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS--IT TELLS ABOUT THE BILL GOING THRU CONGRESS RIGHT NOW REGARDING IMMIGRATION.

EVEN CNN IS GETTING UPSET ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!

NOTICE THAT THIS IS FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!

Click on this link !!!!!!

This from CNN news: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv

Funny thing is I mentioned this one of my men today who stated that his wife just filled out a census form........how about any of you folks???

Not to mention this one.....

With the conviction in his voice and the look in his eyes.....this one scares me the most. We are not a Muslim Country!!!!
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Sadly enough there are a few people on this particular thread who are very blinded by their new found leader and in awe and appear to be pleased of his exploitation of the American People and the destruction of the American Way.

Something else to read on...

Funny thing is I mentioned this one of my men today who stated that his wife just filled out a census form........how about any of you folks???

Not to mention this one.....

With the conviction in his voice and the look in his eyes.....this one scares me the most. We are not a Muslim Country!!!!

All I can say is our government has gone insane. We have been giving this coutry away for years but this truly is the topper. If every legal law abiding citizens does not respond to this with outrage, then we are no longer the country I thought we were.

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