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#1 dinar_stud

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:05 AM

Veterans: Romney Lying About Obama Suit’s Effect On Military Voters

Several veterans slammed Mitt Romney on Monday for opposing and mischaracterizing an Obama campaign lawsuit which would expand early voting rights to veterans, cops, firefighters and all Ohio voters.

Romney had claimed — falsely — that the Obama campaign opposed allowing members of the military and their families to vote in-person in the three days before the election. Actually, the Obama campaign wants all people in Ohio — including, for example, veterans, cops and firefighters — to be able to vote during that period.

The Romney campaign has not responded to TPM’s multiple requests for comment on whether they believe Ohio firefighters and cops are worthy of early voting rights.

“When it comes to Mitt Romney, I feel like he lives in bizarro world,” Iraq veteran and former Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-PA) told reporters in a conference call organized by the Center for American Progress on Monday. “He’s suppressing millions of votes across our country in this election, and then he lies and says that President Obama is trying to do the same thing, when it couldn’t be further from the truth.”

Murphy said Romney’s opposition to the lawsuit was part of a coordinated effort to suppress the vote.

“President Obama is trying to restore voting rights for all people in Ohio and all across the country. They just want to give them a fair shake and let their voices be heard,” Murphy said. “I was absolutely dumbfounded when I found out over the weekend what Mitt Romney is trying to pull. He’s trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes and trying to use our veterans as props to further his lies.”

Jon Soltz, a veteran who now works with VoteVets.org, said that he was “appalled” by the narrative coming out of Ohio.

“Obviously with the narrative the Romney campaign is pushing, they probably don’t have a lot of people around them who have actually served,” Soltz said. “We also agree, like the president does, that someone who served in World World II in the Battle of the Bulge or someone who lost their legs in Vietnam has just as much of a right to vote as today’s veteran.”

Romney’s campaign claimed Sunday that Obama opposed special treatment for service members, though Obama’s suit explicitly said that Ohio “appropriately” granted voting rights to members of the military in the three days before the election.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:10 AM

You're attacking Lord Willard. Be prepared to get flamed by his followers.
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#3 dinar_stud

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:08 PM

Is Obama challenging voting privileges of Ohio military members?

Facebook message from GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Aug. 4, 2012

“In their lawsuit, the Obama campaign and the DNC argue it is ‘arbitrary’ and unconstitutional to provide three extra days of early, in-person voting to military voters and their families. At least 20 times in their legal papers, they argue that there is no good reason to give special flexibility to military voters – and that this policy adopted by the Ohio legislature is so wrong it is unconstitutional.”

-- Memo from Katie Biber, general counsel for the Romney campaign, Aug. 5, 2012

These statements concern a lawsuit that Democrats filed against Ohio’s secretary of state and attorney general to stop a new law that pushes the state’s early voting deadline back by three days for everyone except military personnel and their families. The measure, which was passed by a Republican-controlled legislature in 2011, changed a previously uniform deadline for all residents of the Buckeye State.

Ohio is a closely contested battleground state where the presidential candidates need every vote they can get to win the 2012 election. The state went to Barack Obama in 2008, with more than 1.4 million Ohio voters casting their ballots early, according to the United States Election Project of George Mason University.

Right-wing bloggers have weighed in on the Democratic lawsuit, with Breitbart saying that the president was seeking to “restrict [service members’] ability to vote in the upcoming election.” The Romney campaign fed that notion with its recent comments.

Plaintiffs in this case include Obama’s campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party. Meanwhile, a group of 15 fraternal military organizations filed a motion last week seeking to add themselves to the list of defendants officially fighting the suit.

We read the court documents for this case and researched Ohio’s new voting law to determine whether Romney and his campaign’s general counsel hit the mark with their comments. Does the Democratic lawsuit really try to undermine the voting rights of service members, arguing, as Biber contends, that “there is no good reason to give special flexibility to military voters – and that this policy adopted by the Ohio legislature is so wrong it is unconstitutional”?

The Facts

Ohio changed its voting laws after the 2004 election, allowing voters to cast early ballots until the Monday before Election Day — mainly to prevent long lines at polling stations. Obama seems to have benefitted from this during his 2008 presidential run, as many African-American churches drove congregants to the polls after Sunday services.

The state’s Republican-controlled legislature passed a series of voting laws in 2011, bumping the deadline for most residents back to the preceding Friday. But there was a problem: the measures contained conflicting deadlines for military personnel and their families, who benefit from the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act.

Ohio’s secretary of state resolved the matter by clarifying that the previous Monday deadline would still apply to service members. The Democratic plaintiffs contend that this “disparate treatment” of voters is unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. In other words, they think everyone in the state should have the same deadline.

The military groups argue that a win by the Democrats could set a precedent against all special voting rules for military personnel and their families, particularly the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act, which ensures that active service members have an opportunity to vote despite obligations such as overseas deployments and training outside their precincts. They also don’t want Ohio lawmakers to respond by shortening the voting period for service members, although the state could avoid that by extending the deadline for civilians and leaving the military date alone.

Indeed, that’s what the Democrats want. The first sentence of their complaint makes clear that the goal of the lawsuit is to “restore in-person early voting for all Ohioans during the three days prior to Election Day -- a right exercised by an estimated 93,000 Ohioans in the last presidential election.” Never does the filing mention stripping away privileges from service members.

Furthermore, the Democratic complaint expresses unequivocal support for the military deadline, stating that “the Secretary of State appropriately resolved the conflict between the two in-person voting deadlines for UOCAVA voters in favor of the more generous time period.”

The takeaway is that the Obama campaign likes the later deadline but wants it applied to all Ohio voters.

Romney suggested that the Democratic complaint undermines the rights of military members. But the military groups essentially conceded that this is not the express purpose of the lawsuit. Here’s an excerpt from their filing:

“Although the relief Plaintiffs seek is an overall extension of Ohio’s early voting period, the means through which Plaintiffs are attempting to attain it -- a ruling that is arbitrary and unconstitutional to grant extra time for early voting solely to military voters and overseas citizens -- is both legally inappropriate and squarely contrary to the legal interests and constitutional rights of Intervenors, their members, and the courageous men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces.”

Translation: the Democrats only want to extend the civilian deadline, but their legal arguments could be used to deny military voters of special privileges -- collateral damage.

At the end of the day, the Romney campaign has to rely on a slippery slope argument. But there’s really no end to how far politicians can carry this type of logic. Besides, the fact remains that the Democratic lawsuit does not seek to change voting privileges for service members.

Romney worded his statement rather carefully in a way that stops short of accusing the president of purposely trying to limit military voting rights, but the nuance of his remarks will be lost on the average voter.

As for the memo from Katie Biber, who serves as general counsel to the Romney campaign, the plaintiffs’ argument of arbitrariness and unconstitutionality relates only to Ohio’s exclusion of civilians from the later voting deadline, not to the privilege granted to service members. Here’s what the complaint says:

“Whether caused by legislative error or partisanship motivation, the result of this legislative process is arbitrary and inequitable treatment of similarly situated Ohio voters with respect to in-person early voting.”

Again, the emphasis throughout the Democratic complaint is that Ohio should protect the Equal Protection Clause by ordering the state to extend the later deadline to civilian voters. Biber took license in applying the plaintiff’s argument more broadly, suggesting that the Democratic argument of unconstitutionality pertains to the special privileges for service members.

Admittedly, we’re talking about two sides of the same coin, but both Romney and Biber misrepresented the true language and intent of the lawsuit.

The Pinocchio Test

Romney’s statement suggests that the president is undermining the voting rights of Ohio service members. But the lawsuit in question would not change the deadline one way or another for military voters. It simply requests an order for the state to extend its civilian deadline.

The lawsuit doesn’t describe the military privilege as unconstitutional or arbitrary, which is what Romney and Biber suggested. Instead it uses that argument against the separate deadline for civilian voters, in what the Obama campaigns appears to believe is an attempt to supress African-American turnout.

Overall, the facts show obvious contradictions to the statements from Romney and Biber, no matter how carefully they were worded. The Romney campaign earns three Pinocchios.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:01 PM

Veterans: Romney Lying About Obama Suit’s Effect On Military Voters

Several veterans slammed Mitt Romney on Monday for opposing and mischaracterizing an Obama campaign lawsuit which would expand early voting rights to veterans, cops, firefighters and all Ohio voters.

Romney had claimed — falsely — that the Obama campaign opposed allowing members of the military and their families to vote in-person in the three days before the election. Actually, the Obama campaign wants all people in Ohio — including, for example, veterans, cops and firefighters — to be able to vote during that period.

The Romney campaign has not responded to TPM’s multiple requests for comment on whether they believe Ohio firefighters and cops are worthy of early voting rights.

“When it comes to Mitt Romney, I feel like he lives in bizarro world,” Iraq veteran and former Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-PA) told reporters in a conference call organized by the Center for American Progress on Monday. “He’s suppressing millions of votes across our country in this election, and then he lies and says that President Obama is trying to do the same thing, when it couldn’t be further from the truth.”

Murphy said Romney’s opposition to the lawsuit was part of a coordinated effort to suppress the vote.

“President Obama is trying to restore voting rights for all people in Ohio and all across the country. They just want to give them a fair shake and let their voices be heard,” Murphy said. “I was absolutely dumbfounded when I found out over the weekend what Mitt Romney is trying to pull. He’s trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes and trying to use our veterans as props to further his lies.”

Jon Soltz, a veteran who now works with VoteVets.org, said that he was “appalled” by the narrative coming out of Ohio.

“Obviously with the narrative the Romney campaign is pushing, they probably don’t have a lot of people around them who have actually served,” Soltz said. “We also agree, like the president does, that someone who served in World World II in the Battle of the Bulge or someone who lost their legs in Vietnam has just as much of a right to vote as today’s veteran.”

Romney’s campaign claimed Sunday that Obama opposed special treatment for service members, though Obama’s suit explicitly said that Ohio “appropriately” granted voting rights to members of the military in the three days before the election.

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You know everything Obama does is to steal another vote so why even try to stir this up.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:01 PM

So Romney is STRETCHING THE TRUTH to fit his needs...... Obama never does this???? They are all a bunch of spin doctors trying to make themselves look good and the other side look bad..... Thanks for showing us that both sides of the isle are miserable liars and we have no real idea who is telling the truth and who is not. Yes, there are fact check sites but most of the time when you dig deeper into their background, you find that even these sites have an alterior motive.....

Here's all I need to know at this point..... Obama and the Dems screamed about Bush over spending and then triple that spending when they get into power..... Obama and the dems force fed Obamacare by making sure the vote took place before anyone could possibly hope to read the bill to see what was in it...... Obama and the dems are for abortion, same sex marriage, entitlement and so on and so on...... We are at a point in this country were more people are getting entitlements from the government than there are paying for those entitlements..... NUFF SAID...... Obama must go! Will Mitt be any better?? Probably not but Ron is out so maybe the grass will greener on the other side!!!!
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

So Romney is STRETCHING THE TRUTH to fit his needs...... Obama never does this???? They are all a bunch of spin doctors trying to make themselves look good and the other side look bad..... Thanks for showing us that both sides of the isle are miserable liars and we have no real idea who is telling the truth and who is not. Yes, there are fact check sites but most of the time when you dig deeper into their background, you find that even these sites have an alterior motive.....

Here's all I need to know at this point..... Obama and the Dems screamed about Bush over spending and then triple that spending when they get into power..... Obama and the dems force fed Obamacare by making sure the vote took place before anyone could possibly hope to read the bill to see what was in it...... Obama and the dems are for abortion, same sex marriage, entitlement and so on and so on...... We are at a point in this country were more people are getting entitlements from the government than there are paying for those entitlements..... NUFF SAID...... Obama must go! Will Mitt be any better?? Probably not but Ron is out so maybe the grass will greener on the other side!!!!


So voting for a liar is OK simply because it's not Obama?

If every voted with integrity instead of just voting to "beat" the opposition, not only would Ron Paul have the nomination, but he'd also "beat" Obama. People let fear guide their votes, and that s why we never see change in Washington and never, never, never will. America is going downhill fast and it's not solely because of Obama, it's been happening since the 1930's.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:07 PM

So voting for a liar is OK simply because it's not Obama?

If every voted with integrity instead of just voting to "beat" the opposition, not only would Ron Paul have the nomination, but he'd also "beat" Obama. People let fear guide their votes, and that s why we never see change in Washington and never, never, never will. America is going downhill fast and it's not solely because of Obama, it's been happening since the 1930's.

Every man is a liar, Gods word not mine. I believe the point he was trying to make is its down to mitt and obummer. KISS! keep it simple saint.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:21 PM

Every man is a liar, Gods word not mine. I believe the point he was trying to make is its down to mitt and obummer. KISS! keep it simple saint.


I agree that every man is a liar as God says, however, that fact that we "vote" for known liars shows where our priorities are at. It doesn't have to be a perpetual cycle of Obama's vs Romney's every four years; we make that happen by refusing to vote with integrity. We paint ourselves into a corner every election cycle.

Count how many people said they want to vote for RP, but early on came to a conclusion that he can't win, so they chose not to vote for him and instead for the "front runner." If all these people would simply vote with principle, then RP would be the candidate and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:40 PM

Romney didn’t have anything to do with the Ohio legislative change. The republicans weren’t trying to sneak the election by the liberals.

I can’t imagine that the liberals have the courage to admit that any change in the rules could disadvantage their dumb butts in getting to the poles to vote when everyone else does.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:05 PM

I agree that every man is a liar as God says, however, that fact that we "vote" for known liars shows where our priorities are at. It doesn't have to be a perpetual cycle of Obama's vs Romney's every four years; we make that happen by refusing to vote with integrity. We paint ourselves into a corner every election cycle.

Count how many people said they want to vote for RP, but early on came to a conclusion that he can't win, so they chose not to vote for him and instead for the "front runner." If all these people would simply vote with principle, then RP would be the candidate and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I like RP. What has he accomplished and how can he save this country without support from his party? The problem is lobbyist. Big money controls the politicians. Until we get that out , politics in America won't change and we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Change is coming, you do see that right? Look at the tea party. I believe some of the old cronies are sensing their ride is just about over, some aren't even seeking reelection. Gods still on his tehrone my friend and he's not done with America.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:22 PM

I like RP. What has he accomplished and how can he save this country without support from his party? The problem is lobbyist. Big money controls the politicians. Until we get that out , politics in America won't change and we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Change is coming, you do see that right? Look at the tea party. I believe some of the old cronies are sensing their ride is just about over, some aren't even seeking reelection. Gods still on his tehrone my friend and he's not done with America.


I hope you're right. Faith is the best of all things.
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