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[divemaster5734]

[BIGSKY1]

Hell yea divemaster, +1 to grandpa !!! If more of this happened these thugs would not be so brave, but why don't you hear this on the news???

[RodandStaff]

I only saw still photo's of this before... much better in live action divemaster...thanks!!!!

Just think about this... robbers like to act all tough when they stick a gun in some unarmed citizens face... but when the roles are reversed, or shall I say "equaled" the "bad guys" ain't so tough as very evident in this video. In fact I am certain that one guy's gonna have to change his shorts as well as patch up a bullet hole or two!!! I have no compassion for these types of cowardly thugs... but all the respect in the world for "Grandpa"!!!

[desimo]

I could not get the video to work but did seem something on the news regarding the senior stopping a robbery. I would lay money he was either WWII or Korean War veteran. This would explain why he would keep shooting. His training would be that the reason why he would keep shooting. He would know that a live fleeing enemy could still be a valid threat. The only time an enemy is no longer an enemy is when the enemy has been neutralized.

[Wimpys Bluedog]

[smee2]

In this case I applaud Grandpa. But I still have a small problem with people carrying guns. Why? Because I know a few people who would jump on that wagon in a flash but they are people I would not trust to use a gun properly. They are the kind of yahoos who would take a gun out and not feel fully justified, or fulfilled or whatever they feel, unless they emptied the gun of bullets and started rearming themselves for a second round.

If there could be a way to make sure that every person legally authorized to carry a gun was going to use it for target practice, or hunting for the family table, or in defence of life and property only then go right ahead and start handing out gun permits. But how do you know, how do you test someone, to find out exactly what they would do in any given circumstance?

I lived part of my life carrying a gun legally, as part of my job. I actually drew it once in self defence which was the reason for having it. Having gone through a few questions on a form, and fulfilling the training requirement, I know how easy it would be for anyone to get a permit should they require one for a legal purpose. Things may have changed since then and if so, I hope for the better. I am not sure, though, that I could go along with across the board gun ownership.



smee2

[wpsmit]

In this case I applaud Grandpa. But I still have a small problem with people carrying guns. Why? Because I know a few people who would jump on that wagon in a flash but they are people I would not trust to use a gun properly. They are the kind of yahoos who would take a gun out and not feel fully justified, or fulfilled or whatever they feel, unless they emptied the gun of bullets and started rearming themselves for a second round.

If there could be a way to make sure that every person legally authorized to carry a gun was going to use it for target practice, or hunting for the family table, or in defence of life and property only then go right ahead and start handing out gun permits. But how do you know, how do you test someone, to find out exactly what they would do in any given circumstance?

So if I read you right smee2, you would take away all guns because of the minority who don't have the common sense to be responsible with one? That would be a great idea! Then these few could buy illegal guns and do the same thing. Oh, and then there are the truly evil people who will buy illegal guns and totally run free to wreak havoc on us all. They will find a place to buy a weapon if they want one bad enough. Heck, I understand that since Barry's business with the Mexican Cartels has gone bad, he has really good stockpile of assault weapons at rock bottom prices.

Typical Lib's thinking take from the majority for the good of the minority!

[cris]

In this case I applaud Grandpa. But I still have a small problem with people carrying guns. Why? Because I know a few people who would jump on that wagon in a flash but they are people I would not trust to use a gun properly. They are the kind of yahoos who would take a gun out and not feel fully justified, or fulfilled or whatever they feel, unless they emptied the gun of bullets and started rearming themselves for a second round.

If there could be a way to make sure that every person legally authorized to carry a gun was going to use it for target practice, or hunting for the family table, or in defence of life and property only then go right ahead and start handing out gun permits. But how do you know, how do you test someone, to find out exactly what they would do in any given circumstance?

I lived part of my life carrying a gun legally, as part of my job. I actually drew it once in self defence which was the reason for having it. Having gone through a few questions on a form, and fulfilling the training requirement, I know how easy it would be for anyone to get a permit should they require one for a legal purpose. Things may have changed since then and if so, I hope for the better. I am not sure, though, that I could go along with across the board gun ownership.



smee2

I see what your saying Smee....IMO the stats are already in, gun crime is
lower in areas that weapons are freely available.

Phoenix Az is a great example.

In terms of regulating, that is already done....felons arent allowed....the only
way for them to get a weapon, is illegally. Which they certainly do regardless
of gun bans.....Leaving unarmed citizens at the mercy of the gun toting bad
guys.

Here's one, but there are tons of them, including statistics on
percentages of increased crime in Countries with strict control.

A review of the areas in the U.S. with the most restrictive firearm laws, including such areas as Washington, D.C., Chicago, IL, New York, NY, and the state of California, shows that these areas have some of the highest crime (especially violent) crime rates in the U.S. The crime rates in all of these areas exceeds the national average and they all have enacted in-depth restrictions on firearm ownership that includes licensing and registration schemes, various taxes, testing, and even bans on firearms. In essence, these areas have become a gun control supporters Utopia

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm





How do you tell the difference between Liberals and Conservatives? Pose the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges.
You are carrying a Glock . 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:
- Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
- Does the man look poor or oppressed?
- Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
- Could we run away?
- What does my wife think?
- What about the kids?
- Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? - What does the law say about this situation?
- Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
- Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
- Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
- Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
- If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
- Should I call 9-1-1?
- Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
- This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.

Conservative Answer:
- BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (Sounds of reloading.)
- Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?"
- Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it, too."
- BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.
- Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"

Edited by cris, 28 July 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[divemaster5734]

I lived part of my life carrying a gun legally, as part of my job. I actually drew it once in self defence which was the reason for having it. Having gone through a few questions on a form, and fulfilling the training requirement, I know how easy it would be for anyone to get a permit should they require one for a legal purpose. Things may have changed since then and if so, I hope for the better. I am not sure, though, that I could go along with across the board gun ownership.



smee2

The 2nd Amendment is not to allow people to keep shooting Bambi.

It is our right to protect ourselves, from ALL bad guys.

here is a portion of an email that makes it rounds every 6 months or so for the last several years.

"After the Japanese decimated the U.S. fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941,They could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California to finish what they started.

The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River .
Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships…...All fighting the Germans.

So, why did they not invade?

After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were asked that question.

Their answer…...

They knew that almost every home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them.".

I can state with complete certainty the 2nd has been one of the biggest reasons some power tripping socialist politician hasn't bothered to try a forceful takeover yet.

Commies can bemoan gun ownership issues till they are blue in the face, it will not stop us.

All it will do is cause even more emotional stress when they can't force us to conform to the rainbows and unicorns delusion.

I carried a gun for a job too.

I was in the Army, I even got to use it.

If I am ever threatened again, I will not hesitate to use one again.

bottom line, they can leave me alone and we will "coexist", or they can create a threat, and one of us could die.

That's why America is hanging on by a thread, there are many millions more just like me.

All you have to do is read the comments to understand the cowardly pacifist manure is recognized for exactly what it is.

[desimo]

I do not think that the numbers of legally permitted people who carry guns who use those guns illegally would be very great. The numbers of people who use guns illegally are mostly from people who do not care about the law and do not have a legal right to carry a weapon. To make gun laws more strict is a stupid as regulating cars to stop DUIs. We do not have a gun problem. We have a people problem.

[skitealwedrop]

I watched this story on the news. What impressed me was that Grandpa defended the patrons without hesitation. He is a hero in my opinion. Innocent victims were spared due to his quick thinking and lack of fear to defend them. Does anyone know the identity of Grandpa and the outcome of the crime? Were the suspects apprehended?

I'm a victim of an aggravated robbery that occurred in my apartment many years ago. I will never forget the event. A violent individual holding you hostage with a gun and threatening to kill you will change the fabric of who you are. Americans have the right to posses firearms. Period!

Go Grandpa!

[cris]

I watched this story on the news. What impressed me was that Grandpa defended the patrons without hesitation. He is a hero in my opinion. Innocent victims were spared due to his quick thinking and lack of fear to defend them. Does anyone know the identity of Grandpa and the outcome of the crime? Were the suspects apprehended?

I'm a victim of an aggravated robbery that occurred in my apartment many years ago. I will never forget the event. A violent individual holding you hostage with a gun and threatening to kill you will change the fabric of who you are. Americans have the right to posses firearms. Period!

Go Grandpa!

Charges unlikely against 71-year old man who shot robbers

OCALA - The Internet cafe patron who shot and injured two men as they tried to rob the business will likely not face any criminal charges.
“Based on what I have seen and what I know at this time, I don't anticipate filing any charges,” said Bill Gladson of the State Attorney's Office for 5th Judicial Circuit.
Gladson said he has reviewed the security surveillance video from the cafe. While he still awaits final reports from the Marion County Sheriff's Office, he said the shooting appeared justified.
Samuel Williams, 71, who fired the shots, has a concealed weapons permit, according to the Sheriff's Office. Under Florida law, a person is allowed to use deadly force if he or she fears death or serious injury to themselves or others. As long as the person isn't committing a crime and is in a place where he or she has a right to be, they are considered to be acting within the law.
Williams, who lives in Ocala, could not be reached for comment on Monday. But at least one of his 30 fellow patrons at the cafe wants to thank him.

There is more on this at the link....plus in another article,
I read how the criminals were crying about being shot.....lmao

http://www.sternfannetwork.com/xen/index.php?threads/charges-unlikely-against-71-year-old-man-who-shot-robbers.666489/

[skitealwedrop]

Thanks for the update Cris. I pray that Mr. Williams will not face indictment and a subsequent trial. You never know how the Courts in this country will rule in a case like this.

[RodandStaff]

Here is another incident in Salt Lake City and the Gun owner didn't even have to fire a shot....

Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store

Reported by:

Don Hudson

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Police say right now they have no idea what caused the suspect to go on the dangerous rampage. (We will update as soon as we learn new information.)

So far, police have not released the names of the suspect, the victims or the man who pulled the gun. Link: http://www.abc4.com/...sRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

Edited by RodandStaff, 28 July 2012 - 08:41 PM.

[coorslite21]

I hope everyone will fight for the 2nd amendment rights we have, that allow us all to bear arms.........any and every country that has eliminated that right has seen the citizens lose control of thier lives as the Governments take control....I encourage you all to get yourself licensed in your state......we we all be better for it.....

be a carrier!!!

[skitealwedrop]

I'm not licensed to hold a weapon in my state. I'm seriously considering the option.

[divemaster5734]

Here is another incident in Salt Lake City and the Gun owner didn't even have to fire a shot....

Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store

Reported by:

Don Hudson

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Police say right now they have no idea what caused the suspect to go on the dangerous rampage. (We will update as soon as we learn new information.)

So far, police have not released the names of the suspect, the victims or the man who pulled the gun. Link: http://www.abc4.com/...sRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

Excellent post Rod,
It's aggravating how you never see these stories unless it is "local" news.
All the left wing nut papers want is to tell people how "dangerous" every gun is and imply that just keeping one in the house will eventually cost you a loved one because everything about guns is so "evil".

[skitealwedrop]

My 15 year old son a is victim of an Aggravated Robbery case that occurred in Plano, Texas in May of 2012. Imagine that? I was shocked when my son described to me how he felt during the assault. The Plano Police Department and the Collin County Courts have been effective.

The criminals that assaulted my son and others are buried in the court system as they should be.

[divemaster5734]

My 15 year old son a is victim of an Aggravated Robbery case that occurred in Plano, Texas in May of 2012. Imagine that? I was shocked when my son described to me how he felt during the assault. The Plano Police Department and the Collin County Courts have been effective.

The criminals that assaulted my son and others are buried in the court system as they should be.

There's a lot of violence directed on teens. Most of it doesn't even get reported, and we don't hear about it unless it's unusually heinous.

I'm glad they were caught, and hopefully they wont be let off with juvenile home detention.


In my 20's I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was attacked by 8 people.

I took out 3 and the others pulled out knives.

Two got me in the back, two in my left side as I was spinning, and one in the chest.

One in the back was under the left shoulder and so deep it almost poked out the front.

The one in the chest missed my heart by 1mm and then sliced a 4 1/2" cut through a lung across.

It took a year to physically recover.

You have no idea how I would like to meet up with them today, it would be a 4 second encounter.

[cws]

My 15 year old son a is victim of an Aggravated Robbery case that occurred in Plano, Texas in May of 2012. Imagine that? I was shocked when my son described to me how he felt during the assault. The Plano Police Department and the Collin County Courts have been effective.

The criminals that assaulted my son and others are buried in the court system as they should be.

Unfortunately they are buried in the wrong place. They should be buried in the ground.

Our country is woefully wimpy with criminal thugs like that. They should be seen no more PERIOD!!!!!

I probably will be preaching this till I die because nothing will be done to change it.