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#1 SWFloridaGuy

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:57 PM

6-25-2012 Proteus: The intention of Iraqi currency is not for export purposes, it was designed for internal usage, and it is not an international instrument: like a promissory Notes, Bills of Exchange, or any other type of commercial document under the applicable commercial law. Unlike our USD's that say this note is legal tender for ALL DEBTS public and private, the Dinar does not say this on it!. This is what I said on the Conference Call. The CBI shall determine through REGULATION the denominations, weights, content, and Designs of the Currency we have heard this from the CBI, SHABIBI and SALEH, so why would I doubt what they say if they are following the CBI laws to the exactness of the law. We have heard from the CBI, that they will adsorb the 150 million that it will cost for the printing of the new currency, again I must believe them as it is in the CBI LAW. The CBI will exchange notes upon request for EQUIVALENT AMOUNTS, not Identical denominations, but for EQUIVALENT VALUE, which is what we have heard from the CBI, SHABIBI, and SALEH,that we will not lose value in the exchange of our notes. Again the statement of the CBI reflect exactly what the CBI LAW states. The CBI has stated that they will exchange our notes for the NEW Notes (Monetary Change), they have stated the locations(at the banks, not vendors), and that the time frame would be beginning in 2013 for a period of a year or so (again from CBI's statements exactly like the CBI LAW is written), So, why would I believe anything other than what the law states in black and white? In new articles of recent origin, the CBI has released detail about the denominations, the designs, the values(a 25k note will be equivalent in value to a 25 dinar note, and so on through the removal of the ZEROS PROJECT) and the reasoning behind the new denominations that will be released in the beginning of next year. So, being in the OFFICIAL PUBLICATION that was released I must believe this. Also, they are so consistent with the CBI LAW that is in writing, this is not conjecture, not fable, it is very consistent with the published CBI LAW. In any situation that the courts of Iraq, the legislature if deemed INEQUITABLE, will select a method of conversion that is EQUITABLE. So, if in your interpretation of the CBI LAWS feel that our receiving 1000 times the value of the Iraqi Dinar that we invested in is correct, then I hope that you are correct, but if you feel that 1000 times profit on a simple note of currency of a little over stated, then I could feel that the expectations of us making 1000 times our investment is INEQUITABLE and the Iraqi Courts could easily select a more EQUITABLE method of exchange. SHABIBI has said over and over again, that the primary purpose of the Monetary change in not to add value to the dinar(that could be a side effect of the process, but the process was designed to make transactions in Iraq easier to complete, by making notes easier to calculate), and also for the purpose of maintaining the currency notes, as it costs Iraq 8% of their GDP to maintain their currency supply (where other countries only expend 4% of their GDP on preservation of the Monetary supply, so Iraq could instantly gain 4% GDP simply by a redenomination of the notes). ALSO, notes wear out, it requires counting machines, their are mistakes made by tellers, merchants, and it is very cumbersome to deal with the daily things that citizens have to do, and it requires huge amounts of notes to perform the daily needs of the citizens and this is why the project of removing the ZEROS (000's) was designed. I firmly believe that when the economy grows the value of the Iraqi Currency will grow also but not from the exchange project. These are separate issues. I am as invested as everyone else. I have not sold out, I am here for the long-run, but I am not afraid to look at both sides of the situation and I surely am not afraid to consider what the VERBATIM FACTS of the CBI LAW States.
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#2 Maggie123

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:23 PM

Thank You SWFloridaGuy Posted Image Very Sobering Chat There. He does have valid points.

Is the storm over for you? Hope you weathered through it OK. Posted Image pun intended.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

might make it a little tough when traveling out of country for the iraquis
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#4 SWFloridaGuy

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:32 PM

Thank You SWFloridaGuy Posted Image Very Sobering Chat There. He does have valid points.

Is the storm over for you? Hope you weathered through it OK. Posted Image pun intended.


Actually, we're getting hit harder right now than we did yesterday. Very strong winds and rain. Can't believe I even have power right now.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:44 PM

Wow, I missed the weather reports today, I didn't know that. Posted Image Sorry to hear it's worse today. Again stay safe and I hope your power stays on.
Hugs, Maggie
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:26 PM

I listened to most of that call when Proteus freaked everyone out (or whichever one it was) and the other Revalue-ites brought the fact up that no big cash in was coming for us dinar holders outside of Iraq, because of documents located on the CBI web site, stating that dinar is not a promissary note like our dollar is, if I got that right. I wished I could of asked if any of those folks own dinar and if so why would they waste their money?Because they just wanted to help pave a street to nowhere inside Iraq? :blink:

Even scooter who was on that call IMO was just as shocked as anyone else listening and he tried to play it down and say he has always thought that dinar was like vegas just a big gamble - and he never looked at it like an investment. My paraphrase = They slammed Ali like its all his fault and all the dinar web sites that use the words investment are going to be libable for a huge class action law suit someday. And if we ever did get anything it would be penneys, not dollars in our pockets.

So why do they bring this up now after all these years of their concentrated brain trust being levied at the dinar and countless hours of conference call time? Why even follow the current events of Iraq or in dinarville at all? If I didnt think that there was a possibility of an RV happening at some point in time I darn sure wouldn't waste hours of my time every week doing confernece calls on something that was nothing more than playing black #5 on the roulette wheel in sin city. I would take a short drive and blow my money all on Black and be done with it.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that is a little odd that a web site dedictaed to the subject of dinar related issues tries to enlighten everyone on all the background and history of a country and its leadership,.... what we need more historians in the world or what!!! Seriuosly, Really?

As the old country boy said, "There seems to be a little hair in the butter on that deal". Just sayin..... ;)
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#7 KamelKeeper

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:24 PM

iraq is paying their bills to foreign companies with dollars, from what I understand, and Iraq is planning on dedollarizing. How will they pay their bills in the future after the dedollarizing? They would probably pay electronically, but why would electronic dinar be anymore reliable and cashable than currency? The dinar has to be converted at some point.

Edited by KamelKeeper, 25 June 2012 - 04:25 PM.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:59 PM

6-25-2012 Proteus: The intention of Iraqi currency is not for export purposes, it was designed for internal usage, and it is not an international instrument: like a promissory Notes, Bills of Exchange, or any other type of commercial document under the applicable commercial law. Unlike our USD's that say this note is legal tender for ALL DEBTS public and private, the Dinar does not say this on it!. This is what I said on the Conference Call. The CBI shall determine through REGULATION the denominations, weights, content, and Designs of the Currency we have heard this from the CBI, SHABIBI and SALEH, so why would I doubt what they say if they are following the CBI laws to the exactness of the law. We have heard from the CBI, that they will adsorb the 150 million that it will cost for the printing of the new currency, again I must believe them as it is in the CBI LAW. The CBI will exchange notes upon request for EQUIVALENT AMOUNTS, not Identical denominations, but for EQUIVALENT VALUE, which is what we have heard from the CBI, SHABIBI, and SALEH,that we will not lose value in the exchange of our notes. Again the statement of the CBI reflect exactly what the CBI LAW states. The CBI has stated that they will exchange our notes for the NEW Notes (Monetary Change), they have stated the locations(at the banks, not vendors), and that the time frame would be beginning in 2013 for a period of a year or so (again from CBI's statements exactly like the CBI LAW is written), So, why would I believe anything other than what the law states in black and white? In new articles of recent origin, the CBI has released detail about the denominations, the designs, the values(a 25k note will be equivalent in value to a 25 dinar note, and so on through the removal of the ZEROS PROJECT) and the reasoning behind the new denominations that will be released in the beginning of next year. So, being in the OFFICIAL PUBLICATION that was released I must believe this. Also, they are so consistent with the CBI LAW that is in writing, this is not conjecture, not fable, it is very consistent with the published CBI LAW. In any situation that the courts of Iraq, the legislature if deemed INEQUITABLE, will select a method of conversion that is EQUITABLE. So, if in your interpretation of the CBI LAWS feel that our receiving 1000 times the value of the Iraqi Dinar that we invested in is correct, then I hope that you are correct, but if you feel that 1000 times profit on a simple note of currency of a little over stated, then I could feel that the expectations of us making 1000 times our investment is INEQUITABLE and the Iraqi Courts could easily select a more EQUITABLE method of exchange. SHABIBI has said over and over again, that the primary purpose of the Monetary change in not to add value to the dinar(that could be a side effect of the process, but the process was designed to make transactions in Iraq easier to complete, by making notes easier to calculate), and also for the purpose of maintaining the currency notes, as it costs Iraq 8% of their GDP to maintain their currency supply (where other countries only expend 4% of their GDP on preservation of the Monetary supply, so Iraq could instantly gain 4% GDP simply by a redenomination of the notes). ALSO, notes wear out, it requires counting machines, their are mistakes made by tellers, merchants, and it is very cumbersome to deal with the daily things that citizens have to do, and it requires huge amounts of notes to perform the daily needs of the citizens and this is why the project of removing the ZEROS (000's) was designed. I firmly believe that when the economy grows the value of the Iraqi Currency will grow also but not from the exchange project. These are separate issues. I am as invested as everyone else. I have not sold out, I am here for the long-run, but I am not afraid to look at both sides of the situation and I surely am not afraid to consider what the VERBATIM FACTS of the CBI LAW States.

Anyone who believes this Bullsh*t is welcome to sell me their dinar at a massively reduced price.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:18 PM

Wow, what a depressing day <_<
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:43 PM

Nothing new, this has always been a risk. I mean, c'mon.... we bought currency that belongs to a third world country who is in a perpetual state of turmoil. That being said, if you do a "Ben Franklin", IMO there are a few more pros than cons, that's why I'm still hanging in here and believe we should see some sort of increase in the future.

Thanks again SWFG! I appreciate your impartiality in regards to your opinions and the information you bring.
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