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[kliklok00]

Looks like Maliki isn't going anywhere...

http://www.iraqipres...12110&type=news

[TXNOLE]

I flunked Kurdish..........but thanks for bringing it in.

[mydogz]

I had a feeling it wasn't going to happen.I'm on the fence who the bad guys and good guys.Will see if its good or bad to keep Maliki.

[kliklok00]

I find it very difficult to trust any of the news sources from Iraq, but this particular article was forwarded by an American journalist who is in the ME now and she trusts it, so I'm leaning toward believing it. Regardless, I agree with your post about not being sure who the bad guys are. Time will tell I suppose. I read G.W. Bush's book and it seems he (G.W.) got frustrated with Maliki back in the day...but, he never said he didn't like the guy (or distrusted him). Time will tell all I suppose...

[SocalDinar]

Good!

[easyrider]

Maliki wasnt ever going anywhere to begin with many got duped into believing once again the lies from the media. Its all a front, now for what reason is yet to be seen. We wait.

Edited by easyrider, 09 June 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[skitealwedrop]

I flunked Kurdish..........but thanks for bringing it in.

Me too. In the interim I'm not so sure that the ousting of M is the answer. The big boys in Iraq need to learn to play nice, get it together and do what is in the best interest of the Iraqi's. I'm sure the concept of Democracy is baffling to them considering their violent religious culture and the conditions that they have lived within for decades.

We shall see.

[Tripphood]

Maliki wasnt ever going anywhere to begin with many got duped into believing once again the lies from the media. Its all a front, now for what reason is yet to be seen. We wait.

Yep I'm with you, as time went on it looked more and more obvious that he really wasnt going anywhere afterall.. I'm okay with that as long as he does what he needs to do!

[skitealwedrop]

I agree with you easy. I doubt that M is going anywhere either and seriously doubt the validity of the reports that are generated from the Iraqi media. I'm not buying the spin.

[LR Bobert]

from what i read the article says 160+11 Statement from the Office of President of the Republic

June 9, 2012

Guided by a concern to see the Iraqi people holy to the actual facts relating to the crisis caused by the intensification of political conflict, and to pay any confusion regarding the position of President of the Republic and his commitment to the full provisions of the Constitution, and in order to refute what have dealt with a number of media and political circles about the reluctance of the Head of State in the performance of his duties constitutional, we would like to clarify the following: -
His Excellency the President has promised a number of leaders of political blocs that bringing to the House of Representatives the distinguished names of the claimants to withdraw confidence from the Prime Minister after ensuring the safety of the signatures and the required quorum. Despite the fact that such a step is not mandatory for the President of the Republic, it has agreed to do as a compromise may result in the crisis to be resolved.
The Commission was mandated by President checks have received signatures of (160 MPs from the coalition in Iraq and the Alliance forces of Kurdistan and the mass of the Liberals and the number of independents), (and added them later List the names of a number of members of the PUK. Later, the 11 of the House of Representatives) signed previously informed the Office of the President to withdraw their signatures as requested deputies others "comment" Toukieihma.
In light of this and due to lack of quorum, the message of His Excellency the President, despite the readiness of the text, have not reported to the House of Representatives and deposited with the President of Kurdistan .
strictly speaking have to highlight these details to prevent any hearsay about the position of President of the Republic, and to reaffirm its commitment to the Basic Law. Here we must also note that the circulation of the names said to have been candidates for the Presidency of the Council of Ministers is an explicit violation of the provisions of Rule 61 VIII D of the Constitution, which empowers the President of this right in accordance with what is contained in Article 76 of the Basic Law.
He was President Talabani planning a trip treatment earlier this month, but after a delayed pending verification of the topic signatures and the quorum, and then became clear that the his trip will be next week.
wishes to His Excellency emphasized that the political crisis currently causing congestion socially and security and disrupts the functioning of economic construction is bound to be interpreted to a breakthrough in the under the provisions of the Constitution and the law, he appeals to all political forces limit the differences in this regard, and to avoid anything that might increase tension and disrupt the efforts of dialogue and calls on all political forces to study the proposals and invited to the meeting of the National to be held in any case, whether the withdrawal of confidence or failure . Office of the President of the Republic

[smee2]

No Surprise!

Not surprising if the media lied to us about the recall being imminent and doable.

Not surprising if the members of the government who signed the petition to dump Maliki went back on their written word.

No, no surprise in any of this. Disappoinment yes, but no surprise.



smee2

[uncirculd]

I still say they are not done yet. He has been overly exposed and when Sadr calls on the UN for help, now that is huge.

[KamelKeeper]

Smee, I agree with you, and when I read your comments, I thought this is the way this group of peoples in that part of the world move through civil discourse, attempt to reach agreement of goals, and the implementation of them. Their mind set does appear, to me, to be changing, and maybe a dictator and occupation does that. But I believe that this situation in Iraq is one that was bound to take place, and they could not have gone through this process while the US military was still there. Those that think we should still be there, or that this situation is our fault for meeting the deadline of departure and a request to leave by the Iraq government, should look at the Iraqi as an evolution. In the end, we were babysitting, a still are, to a certain extent. We have not left them, we just took off the training wheels. Just because our tanks, guns, and troops came home, does not mean we are not looking over our investment.

Iraq is going through labor, a long, hard labor. But hopefully, at some point in time in the next few decades, the baby that was born will be named Democracy. In my mind, the key to do this is to get rid of the dicatorship mentality, put the corrupt in jail, and most importantly, give the people of Iraq a life, a job, a paycheck, pride and purpose. Without that, Iraq will never change.

Considering that the current Iraq situation was inevitable, does anybody want our troops in the middle of it? I don't We have given enough in many ways. I want them at home and safe. Let the diplomats take care of this.

Just some thoughts............

[uncirculd]

Kamel,
you said " In my mind, the key to do this is to get rid of the dictatorship mentality, put the corrupt in jail, and most importantly, give the people of Iraq a life, a job, a paycheck, pride and purpose. Without that, Iraq will never change"

You said it! They can start with HCL money and Jobs, and convictions for those who truly are guilty and not those who disagree with you.

I still am in the mindset maliki has to go. he will not support growing away from dictatorship. And just what you said about the following of dictatorship, that is not only from oppression, but "lack of education". They are followers taught from the elders. Some are fortunate to be educated but the majority of the young are not. They have been in war for 9 years and dictatorship 9, and now in oppression. I appears Sadr is educating his folks away from dictatorship. This has got to be the biggest shock to me since maliki's exposure to his great lengths to his shenanigans.

Edited by uncirculd, 10 June 2012 - 08:42 AM.

[uncirculd]

Parliament will vote on this. It is not voted yet and I believe it will be the first thing on the agenda if they don't have an emergency meeting. Maliki will go.

So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

PS I hope this to be true.

[Realdinar]

Is this all just part of a bigger picture? We shall see, Maliki is the only one capable of holding meetings so they can plan for more meetings. Then they will break for ramadan. Who else can provide that type of leadership?

[zigmeister]

So the lack of votes is a done deal ..... personally I am not sure they believed they could get it done. What they have done however is brought their frustration to the forefront. I would hope the US could inspire Maliki to sign the Erbil agreement and staff his GOI with different names than himself.

[Flyboy42]

What a mess.....