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[TPSprayduster]

I am sure i am going to ring up a bunch of negatives but the Cat is out of the bag. Is this the way we conduct an election?


Ron Paul’s Devious Plan to Steal the Presidency

Up until yesterday, I really hadn’t taken the Ron Paul campaign very seriously. Most non-Paul voters probably felt like I did, and laughed him off as that “kooky Uncle” who didn’t have a chance in hell to win the Republican nomination for President.

Well, I’ve changed my mind. Big time.

Yesterday I attended the Republican organizational convention for my Senate district here in Minnesota, and what I witnessed was an organized take-over of our nomination process by Ron Paul cultists. They came to this convention with the sole intent to take over as many of the delegate seats as they could, and sadly, they succeeded.

When I arrived at the convention and took my place with my fellow precinct delegates, I quickly noticed that something was awry. As soon as the man leading the convention(the Convention Chair) began to ask if there were any motions to bring to the floor, several Paulbots lept to their feet to make motions asking to “suspend” the rules so that people who were in attendance could add their names to the delegate nominations. Before the convention, delegates had been contacted to see if we were interested in running for the State Delegate positions, and we were given plenty of time to put our names in the hat to run for these positions.

The Paulbots, who did NOT submit their names prior to the convention, were now demanding that they should added to the list of nominees that very day. This is normally outside of the rules, but the Paulbots(there were at least 50 of them spread throughout the auditorium) through a suspension of the rules, demanded that they be added to the list of nominees. It was difficult to override their votes, as they had descended en masse to this event, and the unsuspecting non-Paul delegates were confused as to what was going on!

After some manipulative moves on the floor, and by using Roberts Rules of order AGAINST the Convention Chair, they were able to add all of their names to the delegate nominations.

I’ve never seen such unmitigated rudeness at a convention before. The Paulbots would leap to their feet screaming “Point of order!” every time they thought that the chair was being dismissive of them.

The entire process was chaotic and psychotic, and the non-Paul delegates were stunned. They didn’t understand what was happening, and I tried to explain to an elderly woman from my precinct that this entire coup was PLANNED, and that the Paulbots had every intention of flooding the State delegates with Paul supporters.

In an effort to combat this craziness, I threw my own name into the ring for State Delegate, using the same rules that the Paulbots had gotten “suspended”. The way I figured it, if I could get on the State delegate list, I would take away at least ONE Paulbot.

I don’t think our convention was an isolated incident. If you read this article from the The Daily Caller you’ll see that this is happening Nationwide.

Luap Nor has got a plan, folks. If the Republican nomination goes to a brokered convention, the Ron Paul cultists plan to flood the nominating floor with Paul delegates. This is their only way to win the Presidential nomination, and they are dead serious in their intent to steal the Presidency, whether you like it or not.

I even asked one of the Paul supporters( a neighbor of mine that I happen to like a lot) who he would vote for (as a delegate) if the nomination went to someone like Romney. He told me straight up that he would NOT vote for the nominee, no matter who it was. He also told me that if they(the Paulbots) didn’t win enough delegates to win, then Ron Paul would run as third party.

So the next time you hear Ron Paul tell the media that he has no intention of running third party, you need to be aware that he is lying.

This convention dragged on for 8 hours yesterday, because the Paulbots slowed down the procedure with motions, amendments and screams of “point of order!” They have every intention of voting as many Ron Paul supporters into delegate positions as they can, and I’m guessing that they are doing this across the country. These people are very well organized, and we should no longer ignore them as the crazy cultists they appear to be, because the fact is, they mean business.

Luap Nor will do anything to win the Presidency, even if it means strong-arming conventions to do so. He’s not some “kooky Uncle” that I once joked about.

In my opinion, he’s dangerous.

Have you witnessed this kind of behavior at your convention?

What do you think we can do to combat these strong arm tactics?

But I guess it’s okay to steal delegates, eh, Ron?

Here’s the video from Denver. Very similar to my experience yesterday in Minnesota.

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Unbelievable!!!!!!!!

[Sparta]

Well, cry me a river.

I am no Paul bot, but I can tell you that the guy is shaking up the corrupt system, and that is a welcome thing in my opinion. The powers that be don't like it when their tyranny gets challenged, so they call it hijacking, or some such label. Time for the GOP bots to wake up and smell the corruption.

[divemaster5734]

What's unbelievable is the fact that there are still some morons out there that don't understand Ron Paul is the only person that will support a return to the FAIR and CONSTITUTIONAL government.

Whats insane is how many people refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their own actions.

What's inconceivable is how many people have their heads up their rear ends so far they are not able smell the coffee, and choose to remain in denial, expecting some establishment politician to quit oppressing, over taxing, and victimizing Americans.

What I find intolerable are so many demotards and repukocons so scared of their government they would continue to help their "masters" destroy this country.

It is time to wake up America.

We have been lied to for over 100 years.

Time to take America back from the brink of destruction.


Vote Ron Paul.

Edited by divemaster5734, 18 March 2012 - 09:07 AM.

[delta22]

WOW I can't freaking believe it!!!! TP actually posted a link to youtube lol.Mr. I am to educated to watch youtube,I never watch youtube posted a link to youtube. You coming out of your cave brother good for you.

[TPSprayduster]

LOL, i don't do you tube it was actually part of the article. As i have read the Paul folks agree that is better to get delegates by any means necessary. Nothing in that article talks about Fairness in Government or stick to the constitution. The reason i posted the article is to show those who follow blindly the Ron Paul express that if you have to raise cane in the caucus meeting to get your way and to gather the delegates and vote in a way as such are not the wishes of the people well that is is something i don't agree with it. If you talk about the constitution and protecting it then, the way they are gathering delegates is not representing the votes of the people but instead a group of people who choose to get as Dr Paul Says D E L E G A T E S is the name of the game. So please don't quote the constitution or fairness when it comes to Dr Paul. I have had my say on it so negative my post if you choose to but if will of the people is not respected then what else is coming down the pipe? So don't cry about the Romney folks or Santorum folks play the game that the Dr Paul supporters are playing. Brokered convention in Tampa, 4 more years. Note i did not call folks names or any other accusation that folks tend to make.

Edited by TPSprayduster, 18 March 2012 - 10:00 AM.

[TPSprayduster]

Yeah why should he go on you tube for truth when he has Faux and CNN crap brainwashing him.
Maybe he hasn't the intelligence to decipher the truth from fiction, so just accepts what is on TV as truth.,

He, as others who try to put Ron Paul down are FOR war, Federal Reserve robbing every cent from the country,
tyranny and big brother watching everything and everyone, TSA feeling you up at any event and all highways and bus/train stations,
Agenda 21 being shoved down the peoples throats along with GMO foods and vaccines, and so on and so on.

Notice they never have any answer to the above problems destroying the country all by design...they just take it. (See calcified Pineal gland)

CNN does not talk about Ron Paul, everyone says that what's on you tube is true so now you are back tracking? LD what are you talking about foods and vaccines. We are talking about the path that Dr Paul's supporters are taking to secure delegates. So basically you are saying is i am putting him down because of the process of delegate stealing. Sir or ma'am don't change the subject and go off on another tirade of destroying the country. The way the delegates are being secured is not keeping with the Constitution. Now take for example primary held on Sunday, Mitt Romney got 83 percent of the vote, if the delegates are elected and the same process that was viewed in the you tube video takes place and if all of the delegates elected were Ron Paul's supporters and if it went to the convention in Tampa and they choose to vote for Dr Paul. Tell me how is that representing the people and not violating the Constitution? If you believe that then surely sir or Ma'am there is something wrong in what you are writing or your beliefs.

Edited by TPSprayduster, 18 March 2012 - 08:37 PM.

[40oz]

Good post TP. It looks like it may have finally sunk in for you. My favorite part of the article is this:

"In an effort to combat this craziness, I threw my own name into the ring for State Delegate, using the same rules that the Paulbots had gotten “suspended”. The way I figured it, if I could get on the State delegate list, I would take away at least ONE Paulbot."

Wow! Don't get too involved in the process there buddy! These GOP clowns are being out-classed TP, just face it. They aren't used to a guy that they can't control gaining this much support. The only way they can stop Ron Paul delegates is by breaking the rules, and they will be called on that every step of the way. So stop rooting for the wrong team and admit that this is the most peaceful way that we can save this nation, without breaking a single law.

[TPSprayduster]

Good post TP. It looks like it may have finally sunk in for you. My favorite part of the article is this:

"In an effort to combat this craziness, I threw my own name into the ring for State Delegate, using the same rules that the Paulbots had gotten “suspended”. The way I figured it, if I could get on the State delegate list, I would take away at least ONE Paulbot."

Wow! Don't get too involved in the process there buddy! These GOP clowns are being out-classed TP, just face it. They aren't used to a guy that they can't control gaining this much support. The only way they can stop Ron Paul delegates is by breaking the rules, and they will be called on that every step of the way. So stop rooting for the wrong team and admit that this is the most peaceful way that we can save this nation, without breaking a single law.

LOL 40 you guys have been had. The process has been exposed and i figured you would come in to do damage control. Not rooting for those who choose not to represent the people.

[TPSprayduster]

Romney wins PR with 83 percent of the vote. 20 Delegates awarded to Romney, now if we have a brokered convention will those delegates vote as the popular vote has voted?????

[Weapon X]

Romney wins PR with 83 percent of the vote. 20 Delegates awarded to Romney, now if we have a brokered convention will those delegates vote as the popular vote has voted?????

I can tell you YES. I am here and saw it all unravel.

[40oz]

LOL 40 you guys have been had. The process has been exposed and i figured you would come in to do damage control. Not rooting for those who choose not to represent the people.

LOL You just exposed yourself. Here let me help you.


Ron Paul’s caucus strategy is authentic republicanism

Give yourself a test. Without doing a web search or whipping out that pocket U.S. Constitution that a wild-eyed Tea Partier handed you, fill in the blank in the following sentence: The U.S. Constitution guarantees to every state in the union a _____form of government. If you are like ninety percent of the American electorate, you answered “democratic” and you were wrong. The answer is “a republican form of government.” There is a drastic difference between the two and one would think that the Republican Party would know it. Instead, they are identical to their rivals in not only ignoring the distinction but promoting democracy instead.

In a democracy, the will of the majority is the law. Fifty-one percent of the vote empowers the winners to exercise any power they wish. Not so in a republic. The reason that the founders constructed a constitutional republic was to protect Americans from democracy.

That may sound like sacrilege to most 21^st century Americans, but it’s true. James Madison called democracy “the most vile form of government.” Thomas Jefferson said that when majorities oppress an individual they “break up the foundations of society.” Benjamin Franklin mused that democracy was like “two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.”

Republicanism is the logical form of government for conservatives. Conservatism at its best protects property rights from an unchecked majority plundering the individual. Liberalism at its best protects property rights from the wealthy conspiring with the government to plunder the masses. At their worst, both conservatism and liberalism legitimize plunder; the former for the few, the latter for the many.

Ron Paul’s presidential campaign strategy is rooted in republicanism. He has deliberately focused his efforts on the states that hold caucuses instead of primaries because caucuses do not let the majority rule unchecked. Instead of merely pulling a few levers behind a curtain, caucus participants must complete a multi-tiered process that occurs for months after the popular vote before being chosen for the national convention. Who can doubt that these delegates are more informed than the typical primary voter? The essence of republicanism is for reason to triumph over the transient passion of the majority.

Paul’s platform likewise represents what is best about conservatism. Without exception, it protects the individual from oppression by the majority. He is the only Republican president that has actually said the words “role of government” during any debate. That’s because he is the only candidate that seems to recognize that the government’s role is limited; that even a majority vote cannot sanction it to exercise power beyond those limits. Throughout all of human history, conservatives have defended this principle against the ungoverned passion of the majority.

Yet, conservatives today sound just like liberals when they decry Paul’s supporters using the republican nature of the caucuses to overturn the decisions of uninformed majorities. Their opposition to both Paul’s platform and his political strategy begs the question: Does the Republican Party still believe in a republican form of government? Do they still believe that the power of the majority has limits? Or are they just Democrats with a different supporter base?

George W. Bush never once referred to the United States of America as “a republic.” He consistently referred to it as “a democracy” and like Woodrow Wilson claimed to be defending democracy all over the world. If he was representative of what the Republican Party now stands for, then how is it substantively different from the Democratic Party?

These same questions apply to the issues. If the Republican Party truly favors the big government alternatives to Ron Paul, candidates who all supported the expansion of the federal government in the past and who refuse to commit to any meaningful cuts now, then what is the debate about?

The federal government doesn’t need a manicure. It needs reconstructive surgery. Make that deconstructive surgery. You don’t turn $1.5 trillion deficits into surpluses by tweaking the way that federal departments are managed. You do so by completely eliminating departments and redefining the role of government. Only Ron Paul is proposing to do so. If there is anything left of what made the Republican Party different from the Democrats, they should support both Ron Paul’s platform and his political strategy.

[TPSprayduster]

LOL, it took you this long to come up with a document to justify the way the Paul folks are gather these delegates i should not agree with you sir it is not what you say it is or find someone to write something to support this strategy. All i am saying is this, if you are not supporting all of the GOP then you are doing the Democrats a favor. All i can say is thanks for the creation of the 3rd Party candidate in which the GOP vote will be split and 4 more years. No matter how you try to spin it 40 that is going to be the result.

[40oz]

LOL, it took you this long to come up with a document to justify the way the Paul folks are gather these delegates i should not agree with you sir it is not what you say it is or find someone to write something to support this strategy. All i am saying is this, if you are not supporting all of the GOP then you are doing the Democrats a favor. All i can say is thanks for the creation of the 3rd Party candidate in which the GOP vote will be split and 4 more years. No matter how you try to spin it 40 that is going to be the result.

Man you're dense. Peace out.

[TPSprayduster]

Not as dense as the GOP will be after Nov 2012, thanks to the candidate you support. Remember 40, you can fool some of the folks most of the time but your time is up. Thank you sir for the entertainment. Trying to insult me does not work. I am sure this post will be looked at as well. Have a good one 40 are you on the night shift?

[Shabibilicious]

Even if the process is legal, how is not following the will of the people ethical? Will a bonafide Ron Paul supporter please answer this question directly without all the gravy? And, should this delegate process play out the way Ron Paul supporters want it, and he gets the GOP nod, how will he be perceived in November? I think people believe whoever the GOP candidate is, they will surely beat Obama, no matter how they got there. The numbers don't support such claims. Sorry, I have no links to numbers and I couldn't care less about people's views of main stream media. All I want is answers to the questions posed. As always, just my opinion (awake, alert, sheared, enlightened, not evil, not a traitor, not an enemy of the state, love the constitution, 20/20 vision, educated)

GO RV, then BV

[40oz]

Even if the process is legal, how is not following the will of the people ethical? Will a bonafide Ron Paul supporter please answer this question directly without all the gravy?

Just read my post above. I can't explain it any better than the author did. AMERICA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.

[sportfisher]

I am sure i am going to ring up a bunch of negatives but the Cat is out of the bag. Is this the way we conduct an election?


Ron Paul’s Devious Plan to Steal the Presidency

Up until yesterday, I really hadn’t taken the Ron Paul campaign very seriously. Most non-Paul voters probably felt like I did, and laughed him off as that “kooky Uncle” who didn’t have a chance in hell to win the Republican nomination for President.

Well, I’ve changed my mind. Big time.

Yesterday I attended the Republican organizational convention for my Senate district here in Minnesota, and what I witnessed was an organized take-over of our nomination process by Ron Paul cultists. They came to this convention with the sole intent to take over as many of the delegate seats as they could, and sadly, they succeeded.

When I arrived at the convention and took my place with my fellow precinct delegates, I quickly noticed that something was awry. As soon as the man leading the convention(the Convention Chair) began to ask if there were any motions to bring to the floor, several Paulbots lept to their feet to make motions asking to “suspend” the rules so that people who were in attendance could add their names to the delegate nominations. Before the convention, delegates had been contacted to see if we were interested in running for the State Delegate positions, and we were given plenty of time to put our names in the hat to run for these positions.

The Paulbots, who did NOT submit their names prior to the convention, were now demanding that they should added to the list of nominees that very day. This is normally outside of the rules, but the Paulbots(there were at least 50 of them spread throughout the auditorium) through a suspension of the rules, demanded that they be added to the list of nominees. It was difficult to override their votes, as they had descended en masse to this event, and the unsuspecting non-Paul delegates were confused as to what was going on!

After some manipulative moves on the floor, and by using Roberts Rules of order AGAINST the Convention Chair, they were able to add all of their names to the delegate nominations.

I’ve never seen such unmitigated rudeness at a convention before. The Paulbots would leap to their feet screaming “Point of order!” every time they thought that the chair was being dismissive of them.

The entire process was chaotic and psychotic, and the non-Paul delegates were stunned. They didn’t understand what was happening, and I tried to explain to an elderly woman from my precinct that this entire coup was PLANNED, and that the Paulbots had every intention of flooding the State delegates with Paul supporters.

In an effort to combat this craziness, I threw my own name into the ring for State Delegate, using the same rules that the Paulbots had gotten “suspended”. The way I figured it, if I could get on the State delegate list, I would take away at least ONE Paulbot.

I don’t think our convention was an isolated incident. If you read this article from the The Daily Caller you’ll see that this is happening Nationwide.

Luap Nor has got a plan, folks. If the Republican nomination goes to a brokered convention, the Ron Paul cultists plan to flood the nominating floor with Paul delegates. This is their only way to win the Presidential nomination, and they are dead serious in their intent to steal the Presidency, whether you like it or not.

I even asked one of the Paul supporters( a neighbor of mine that I happen to like a lot) who he would vote for (as a delegate) if the nomination went to someone like Romney. He told me straight up that he would NOT vote for the nominee, no matter who it was. He also told me that if they(the Paulbots) didn’t win enough delegates to win, then Ron Paul would run as third party.

So the next time you hear Ron Paul tell the media that he has no intention of running third party, you need to be aware that he is lying.

This convention dragged on for 8 hours yesterday, because the Paulbots slowed down the procedure with motions, amendments and screams of “point of order!” They have every intention of voting as many Ron Paul supporters into delegate positions as they can, and I’m guessing that they are doing this across the country. These people are very well organized, and we should no longer ignore them as the crazy cultists they appear to be, because the fact is, they mean business.

Luap Nor will do anything to win the Presidency, even if it means strong-arming conventions to do so. He’s not some “kooky Uncle” that I once joked about.

In my opinion, he’s dangerous.

Have you witnessed this kind of behavior at your convention?

What do you think we can do to combat these strong arm tactics?

But I guess it’s okay to steal delegates, eh, Ron?

Here’s the video from Denver. Very similar to my experience yesterday in Minnesota.

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Unbelievable!!!!!!!!

it's people like you that will twist the truth around and try to make it look bad. Ron Paul is the only potential candidate that will uphold the oathe of office and protect the constitution. The delegate process is not new, it's not stealing, stop crying libby.

Even if the process is legal, how is not following the will of the people ethical?

Twistalicious why do you ask your libby judges that legalize same sex marriage overturning the "will of the people" that unanimously voted to ban it.

Twistalicious why *don't* you ask your libby judges that legalize same sex marriage overturning the "will of the people" that unanimously voted to ban it.

Edited by sportfisher, 19 March 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[TPSprayduster]

Twisted? Did you not watch the truth leading You Tube Video? Nothing twisted, yes the author of the article add their flavor to the post but hey if is not the truth and not supporting the feeling of the people then well hell what is difference of Dr Paul from the rest. Now you guys are crying because the game has been exposed. Sorry Sport need to get off that boat and realize what process you are supporting. No one likes anything that is not positive toward Dr Paul and plus hit the negative button because an example of the process to the the D E L E G A T E S is exposed now and it does not look good.

[sportfisher]

Twisted? Did you not watch the truth leading You Tube Video? Nothing twisted, yes the author of the article add their flavor to the post but hey if is not the truth and not supporting the feeling of the people then well hell what is difference of Dr Paul from the rest. Now you guys are crying because the game has been exposed. Sorry Sport need to get off that boat and realize what process you are supporting. No one likes anything that is not positive toward Dr Paul and plus hit the negative button because an example of the process to the the D E L E G A T E S is exposed now and it does not look good.

???...........................you've totally lost it crybaby.

you must be invoved with acorn huh?

Edited by sportfisher, 19 March 2012 - 10:37 PM.

[TPSprayduster]

???...........................you've totally lost it crybaby.

you must be invoved with acorn huh?

No sport i am not, cry baby. No the Paul camp operation has been exposed and i am not the one hitting that negative button because you don't like what you read and of course You Tube never lies. Read your post you are the one complaining and crying next thing you know you will be crying to the MOD about exposing a process that is goes against the will of the people. LOL, do you think your attempted insults bother me sport. They are just a way of not wanting to hear the truth so take away from the article. No i am not kenyan either so don't Try that one again sir.